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Is Anybody Else Working On A WWII Novel?

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To paraphrase John Wayne from The Longest Day, is anybody in this outfit working on a WWII novel besides me? :)
For the past decade, I have been working on a historical novel which dramatizes the story of the Doolittle Raid. Bascially, it is "Band of Brothers" meets Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo, but in dramatic prose format:

http://www.tonyheld.hoboandbowser.net/the-eagles-of-shangri-la-a-world-war-two-novel/

The reason my project has taken so long is due to two things: lack of information, and bouts with writer's block (something I hate). I am working on curing the latter, but the former is still holding me up. However, I refuse to barge ahead and make stuff up a la Calvin's report to his class on bats. This WWII saga has had enough bull written about it already, and I will not insult the memory of these heroes by fabricating more lies just to complete my book.
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I've pondered it a few times. My great uncle survived Bougainville (one of the few), and finally opened up about the experience 40 years later. I've verified his story. Absolutely amazing. Despite all I've seen and done, it still gives me goosebumps and damp eyes.

That aside, I think WWII books still sell. Didn't Big Bill just release killing Patton? 
Hi Tony, I've written on WWII novel about the RAF Bomber campaign, but I had the enormous privilege to have many chats and cups of tea with a Lancaster pilot - I got it from the horse's mouth! I've also written a WWI novel and this case I found it way better to refer to history books written in the 1950 & 1960's (and earlier), because a lot of these again used a lot of personal interviews and living memories as sources. So I'm suggesting maybe you can do the same? Look for older history books, because they were written by people who actually talked to veterans (although from memory only a few members of one crew survived the Doolittle raid and subsequent capture?).
I find that a lot of WWI and WWII histories these days are over-analysed to crap and apply almost forensic, 21st century thinking and analysis to what was in reality a very confusing time, and people acted accordingly. The most important aspect to any history of conflict for me is to always remember - during the war, for most of the time, no one knew who was going to win! In 1916 the British War Office estimated the war would probably last until 1921...
Good luck with it.
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I'm in the early stages - does that count? :)
Actually part of a sequence of historical fantasy novellas that spans different time periods - was planning on writing a shorter mailing list incentive story based around a Polish family in a Soviet forced labour camp.  Fun and games!
I am working on a romance set between an American in the Red Cross and a local Briths woman at a USAAF Rest Home aka flack shack.

I also have a privately published memoire of the crew my father was part of and I'm trying to track the heirs of the person who compiled it and see if they'd be interested in publishing it.
WWII - yes and no. Been working on and off for a few years on a yarn about a US/UK commando team going to Ukraine in 1946 to retrieve a USSR scientist claiming to know the secret of the Wenceslaus Henge. Commanded by a former SS officer sprung from jail for the occasion. A Reinhard Gehlen-run offshoot of Operation Paperclip.

Both sides have made promises, and, of course, neither intends to keep them. It isn't war, exactly, but hell it is - especially to write  ;D
BenedictPatrick said:
I'm in the early stages - does that count? :)
Sure does. :)
Graeme Hague said:
Hi Tony, I've written on WWII novel about the RAF Bomber campaign, but I had the enormous privilege to have many chats and cups of tea with a Lancaster pilot - I got it from the horse's mouth! I've also written a WWI novel and this case I found it way better to refer to history books written in the 1950 & 1960's (and earlier), because a lot of these again used a lot of personal interviews and living memories as sources. So I'm suggesting maybe you can do the same? Look for older history books, because they were written by people who actually talked to veterans (although from memory only a few members of one crew survived the Doolittle raid and subsequent capture?).
I find that a lot of WWI and WWII histories these days are over-analysed to crap and apply almost forensic, 21st century thinking and analysis to what was in reality a very confusing time, and people acted accordingly. The most important aspect to any history of conflict for me is to always remember - during the war, for most of the time, no one knew who was going to win! In 1916 the British War Office estimated the war would probably last until 1921...
Good luck with it.
Hi,

Thanks for the advice. I agree that modern day WWII scholarship is over-analyzing the facts.
The B-25 crew from the Doolittle Raid you were thinking of was the crew of The Green Hornet. Only one of her crew ultimately survived the raid and being captured by the Japanese after The Green Hornet ditched off the Chinese coast. Two of her crew drowned, one was later executed by the Japanese, and one died of starvation while in captivity.
I was going to go the Harry Turtledove route and make stuff up in an alternative history.

The North and South were two different countries, the South did not get involved in WW1 and the north barely did. So some technologies did not mov forward while some did.

It is set in 1934 and the more industrial North makes a move on the South, especially around the state of Cuba (yep).

It's longish but I lost interest in it.
I am a big fan of WWII, but that mostly came from my days of gaming (Medal of Honor is still one of the greatest FPS games IMO). I have kicked around ideas of either an alternative universe type WWII story, or just a wild fiction not based around any actual events. This way my knowledge of specific battle details does not have to be quite so vast. And since I have a lot of knowledge of the period weapons and armor, I could probably work with that.
I have two novels and a novella set in WWII. One of them is my best performing indie title, in terms of total income. I've got the rough outline of two others that I might write some day.
I have a first draft of a novel set in Latvia that is loosely based on a story told me by the daughter of the Dutch consul, a child during WW2. It involves helping Jews escape from Poland. The Baltics were caught between Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia and the history between 1939 and 1942 is very confused and tragic. Besides my natural aversion to revision, this novel is on hold because I fictionalize members of my source's family in a way she may not like. They wouldn't be recognizable to anyone but her, because I've changed locales, names and other details. I don't think the appetite for WW2 novels is declining. It was the pivotal event of the 20th century, and still reverberates for the generations born after, at least in Europe.
I haven't attempted it yet, but I do have an outline sketched for a novel I want to write someday, told mostly in epistolary form-letters between a Navy officer in the Pacific and a girl on the home front. I'm really in love with the idea, but I know I'm going to need to do hefty amounts of research to make it realistic...so I'm holding off on even thinking about beginning it at least until I finish my current (historical/western) novel.
TonyWrites said:
To paraphrase John Wayne from The Longest Day, is anybody in this outfit working on a WWII novel besides me? :)
For the past decade, I have been working on a historical novel which dramatizes the story of the Doolittle Raid. Bascially, it is "Band of Brothers" meets Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo, but in dramatic prose format:

http://www.tonyheld.hoboandbowser.net/the-eagles-of-shangri-la-a-world-war-two-novel/

The reason my project has taken so long is due to two things: lack of information, and bouts with writer's block (something I hate). I am working on curing the latter, but the former is still holding me up. However, I refuse to barge ahead and make stuff up a la Calvin's report to his class on bats. This WWII saga has had enough bull written about it already, and I will not insult the memory of these heroes by fabricating more lies just to complete my book.
It is commendable that you are committed to not altering any of the facts of the lead up, operation and aftermath of the incredible Doolittle raid. Where you may have difficulty is in dialogue where you may be putting fictional utterances in the mouths of the actual participants in the drama. When I read books or watch films of this kind, I often find myself asking out loud things like: "Yes, but did Patton actually say that?"

However, you can avoid any such factual distortion by:

1. For the actual historical characters, limit their dialogue to things they are recorded as actually having said (from diaries, news reports, debriefing transcripts, etc.)

2. Limit all fictional dialogue to your invented characters. Same with any invented drama/conflicts between characters. For example, I could imagine an argument and a resultant bet between a group of fictitious sailors on the aircraft carrier in which an arrogant, self-declared 'expert' insists that the incredibly short take off of the first bomber in the line (Doolittle's plane) was impossible. Same thing with arguments about the wisdom of going earlier in the raid than planned (due to the carrier having possibly being 'discovered' by a Japanese ship), resulting in the raiders not having enough fuel to reach their safe landing areas beyond Japanese lines. I'd suggest only having dialogue of such arguments between the actual participants if you can find factual records of the words actually spoken at the time. Otherwise, leave such arguments to your fictional characters if you intend not to mess with historical accuracy.

Best of luck with this! I think it could be a great story. Definitely one worth telling.

(By the way, I note that Bookbub say World War II books always do well with their readers. Not that they accept mine, but that's probably because of the odd format of my books.)

Keep us informed as to progress/research, etc. Best of luck!

Philip
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I find it helpful to establish a historically accurate timeline as the 'skeleton' on which to flesh out the story. Here's a good timeline of the lead up to the Doolittle raid. You should be able to find other timelines and cross check for accuracy.

http://hartnation.com/timeline-doolittle-raid/

Best of luck!

Philip
Hi Phillip,

Thank you for the advice and the link to the timeline.

There are no fictional characters in my novel. I felt doing a mix of historical/fictional characters paled in comparison to how it was done in "Band of Brothers", where a cross-section of all the men who served in Company E 506th PIR were the cast of characters. The same holds true for my novel. I feel the impact is always stronger with an all-historical cast.

As far as my reconstructions of dialogue go, one of my favorite authors, Jeff Shaara, always carefully researches his historical characters before reconstructing conversations involving them. This is so none of the dialogue sounds out of character, or downright phony. I am following Jeff's lead on this.

I am starting to get my manuscript vetted for accuracy and authenticity, but it is proving slow going so far. I'll get there, though.

Thank you again, and kudos for your books which give a unique take on history via mock "tweets." :)
I released a paranormal romance with the characters being from that era.

But, I have been thinking about doing a non-fiction series on the 761st and 442nd. I feel that a lot of emphasis is on the Tuskegee Airman and their contribution to the war, but there were other segregated units that made serious impact on the war.
Reading the new posts this morning, I was going to mention Jeff Shaara. His work is damned impressive. I wonder if his success allows him the luxury of several researchers to fine-tune the details? Still, some of his books have given me a much better understanding of historical figures. Patton, for example.
TonyWrites said:
Hi Phillip,

As far as my reconstructions of dialogue go, one of my favorite authors, Jeff Shaara, always carefully researches his historical characters before reconstructing conversations involving them. This is so none of the dialogue sounds out of character, or downright phony. I am following Jeff's lead on this.
No fictional characters at all? Sounds really challenging if you are to cover the drama and internal conflicts before and during the mission assigning authentic dialogue and attitudes to the real characters, especially during conflicts and arguments (I imagine there were many). I guess it could be done with the required extensive research into the personalities of the individuals concerned. That should be possible with the main players like Roosevelt, Doolittle, Admiral King and General Hap Arnold whose words and actions have been well documented over the years. Not sure how it would work (in an authentic and historically accurate way) for the less well-documented participants though.

If you can make the invented dialogue reflect what the real characters could believably have said given who they were, what they knew and where they were at each point in the drama, it should work though if you can put in the required research. In the book description of one of my books, I include this passage:

The book follows the thoughts and actions of the main participants in the drama based on what those participants actually reported, or could have believably reported, given who they were, what they knew and where they were at the time.
Were ALL the characters portrayed in Band of Brothers really actual men who served in E Company? That had never occurred to me.

I'd be interested to know where you see the main points of drama in the mission. As well as the obvious ones like the original Washington discussions over the feasibility of such a mission, the failures and eventual success of the intensive short take off training, the scramble to take off from the carrier much earlier than they wanted, the crash landings in enemy territory, etc., I'm sure there were many lesser dramas and internal conflicts up and down the line.

Damn! I'm getting quite excited about your project now. Please try to complete it before I kick the bucket.

Best of luck!

Philip
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Moist_Tissue said:
I have been thinking about doing a non-fiction series on the 761st and 442nd. I feel that a lot of emphasis is on the Tuskegee Airman and their contribution to the war, but there were other segregated units that made serious impact on the war.
Maybe you could write a non-fiction compilation or series of all the segregated units, including the Tuskegee group. How many were there? I imagine there were some who did not fare so well. Their stories would be interesting too.

Philip
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