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I just received an email from Amazon going over the changes to the KU/KOLL payout model.

Of interest was this line,

As measured using KENPC, during the month of June, KU and KOLL customers read nearly 1.9 billion Kindle Edition Normalized Pages (KENPs) of KDP Select books.

With this information, can someone better than I with math, calculate the approx payout per page based on the June global fund? It might give us some real world numbers to work with. I was surprised that the pages read was so high.
 

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Based on an estimated fund of $11 million, also from that same email, the payout per page would be roughly $0.0058.

So that's...

$2.32 for 400 pages
$2.03 for 350 pages
$1.74 for 300 pages

And on down...

$0.58 for 100 pages
$0.29 for 50 pages

Hm. So every 100 pages gets you 58 cents more.
 

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Congratulations. Every writer who wanted this change will now get $1.25 for their 250 page novel... IF and thats a big IF it's read all the way through.


If the numbers in their email is right, then this new KU payout stinks and doesn't help anyone.
 

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Another interesting point is that that isn't a lot of pages. It makes me think that KU actually has a lot fewer subscribers than Scribd or Oyster.
 

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AuthorX said:
Congratulations. Every writer who wanted this change will now get $1.25 for their 250 page novel... IF and thats a big IF it's read all the way through.

If the numbers in their email is right, then this new KU payout stinks and doesn't help anyone.
I bet it helps Amazon. :p
 

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Congratulations. Every writer who wanted this change will now get $1.25 for their 250 page novel... Less than the old system. IF and thats a big IF it's read all the way through.

If the numbers in their email is right, then this new KU payout stinks and doesn't help anyone but people who have 500 page tomb novels.
Except an actual 250 page novel will be assigned a page count for royalty purposes of 400 pages give or take. My 310 page novels have page counts for royalty purposes of 680-696. So those authors will actually be making over $2 for a 250 page novel read all the way through.

As has been discussed since this was announced, writers of very short works (incl kids and books heavy on art) and writers with a lot of readers stopping after 10% but before the end will make less. Writers of anything longer than about 40K words with readers who normally finish the book after reading 10% will come out ahead.
 

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How can anyone be happy at $1.25 for a 250 page novel? Amazon is getting what it wants, I guess. Author's becoming okay with selling their hard work for the absolute lowest possible price. They win big. Authors lose big. Same old story.
 

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Another interesting point is that that isn't a lot of pages. It makes me think that KU actually has a lot fewer subscribers than Scribd or Oyster.
What are we comparing it to?

1.9b/300pages = about 6.3 million novels read in June, or about 211,111 per day. That seems like a lot.
 

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How can anyone be happy at $1.25 for a 250 page novel? Amazon is getting what it wants, I guess. Author's becoming okay with selling their hard work for the absolute lowest possible price. They win big. Authors lose big. Same old story.
Exactly. We were all bitching about it dropping below $1.50, and now we're happy with this? There's always a trade off between volume and unit price, but at some point things get devalued too much.
 

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How can anyone be happy at $1.25 for a 250 page novel? Amazon is getting what it wants, I guess. Author's becoming okay with selling their hard work for the absolute lowest possible price. They win big. Authors lose big. Same old story.
KU pushes out about double the sale as other sale channels, so 1.25 can be good for people who price their novels at 2.99 or below. Any price higher than that, and those people are better off going wide.

If these numbers are true, short stories are dead in KU. It's as simple as that. You make more money going wide.

Again, Amazon could solve all these problems with one move: drop exclusivity requirement. They would make more money and we would make more money. Of course, KU isn't about Amazon making money, it's about them attempting to kill off more competitors.
 

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Amazon set the pages on my recent release, 124,000 words, to 909 pages. You can see it in my sig below (Maylin's Gate). I have that on sale for $4.99. Under this model, I would get paid $5.13 for a full read through. That's MORE than I earn on a sale. I'll take it.  :)
 

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What are we comparing it to?

1.9b/300pages = about 6.3 million novels read in June, or about 211,111 per day. That seems like a lot.
Well, Scribd has around 80 million subscribers for example.
 

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Just got an email from Amazon saying that payout in July will be "at least 11 million" while pages read in June was 1.9 billion. Doing the math, that's about half a penny per page.

I understand what Amazon was trying to do, but this will likely reduce my borrow income by 80% and cost me hundreds of dollars per month.

Here's a proposal for Amazon instead.

Go back to the old system of paying per book. But instead of Amazon counting a read as "10%" of the book, have it be 20 pages. That makes it more fair to the longer books, which had to hold reader's attention proportionally longer to be counted as a read, even though they were providing more content. Amazon could also provide some kind of small bonus for having a longer book.

But the pages read thing looks like it is going to devastate everyone, except those who have written very long series-style works. If this doesn't change, I'll have to pull all my books about of KDP.
 

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If my math is right.

I just got an email from Amazon saying that 1.9 billion pages were read in June. If that stays about the same in July, with a pool of $11 million, that's $0.0057, or about 0.6 cents.

I'll make waaaay less money, but oh well, it's a much fairer system than before.
 
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