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Mikkelsen Twins / Publishing Life -- do not buy!

175K views 127 replies 63 participants last post by  lewis.goudy  
Oh, honey, they make their money from you, and others like you, who pay them a thousand bucks for information that is either dodgy ethically, goes against TOS, or is outright illegal.

There is no easy money in writing. None. Everything requires time, effort, knowledge and money. ROI for most is negligible, if there's any at all. Write because you can't not write. Learn the publishing business, and marketing, or go for the traditional publishing contract (and you'll still need the marketing), but don't fall for that easy passive income nonsense.
 
antcurious said:
Absolutely nothing dodgy about this 1st post at all.
Nothing at all. :O

LOL It's a typical tactic, to get someone to join up and post a glowing review of whatever is being sold. See it all the time.

David VanDyke said:
If it looks too good to be true, it is.

If it's a "secret" to making money, nobody will be selling it to you. They will use it themselves.

If you ever wonder about any of these schemes, just put in the name of the product, course or proponent, and the word "scam," and see what comes up.
People would be a lot better off if they would follow David's advice. Sadly, so many get caught up in the thrill of something, in being told how easy it is to make money with no investment or effort at all.
 
ShayneRutherford said:
Yep. Another first-time poster protesting that even though it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's definitely not a duck. I'm so surprised. ::)
And months later, yet. Somebody's income from the courses must be dropping, time to call in the calvery to get the money flowing.
 
This sort of thing has been around forever. Before the Internet, before television, even. Ads in the backs of magazines promising tons of money stuffing envelopes. Ads saying you could make good money doing simple crafts. Back in the early 90s or so, it was drop shipping wonderful items you sold out of a catalog. Make a fortune from that one, for sure. Later on it was the buy and sell real estate deal. These days it's publishing books and watching the millions of passive income roll in. You can hire a ghostwriter for $5 to give you all the short pamphlets you need! The only trick to it is that the people selling the secret are the only ones who make money from it, because it's a con. Send me some money, I'll let you in on the secret, multiply by the thousands.
 
Assuming I'm not the course creator, doesn't that give me some sort of legitimacy?
Not really. One post wonders, who never show up to contribute to the forum outside of doing the "it's totally legit I swear!" thing have no legitimacy. None. Like it or not, that's how it works. And not just here.

And thanks for the proofreading. I normally don't leave such egregious errors, but you got lucky that day.
 
Amazon / KDP as a useful route to a steady passive income
Ask any real writer, putting out good books and making money, how true that "passive income" crap is. They'll tell you it's a big fat lie. Look at posts here or anywhere about marketing, how much harder it is, how much more it costs, how much effort you have to put into keeping up with what works and what doesn't. And how you have to keep publishing, keep working the back list. For anyone other than the SEO folks, who see KDP as a cash cow and have no real interest in writing.
 
They were black hat, but they had to do it right to stay in business. Isn't that valuable advice? How to not get your account closed?
They had to find a way to get around rules, you mean? To cheat a system, to break rules, not because they're harmful, but because the rule breaker wants an easier, quicker, better way to steal money?

Amazon already gives us valuable advice to avoid getting our accounts terminated. No workarounds are needed. No thousand dollar courses to learn how to game the system. No easy, sneaky way to get ahead of anyone else. There are thousands of people who follow the rules and make very good money. Some make winning lottery ticket money. They don't have to worry about getting caught at something they shouldn't be doing. They don't have to find a way to break any rules.

Anyone who thinks finding ways around the rules aren't in this for the writing, they're looking for easy money, and they don't care that every time they get caught, Amazon amps up the rules and makes it harder and harder for honest people to find their dream as a writer. We've seen it with KU, we've seen it with simple things like tags, or being able to add images to our sales page, or every other little thing that made it better for those of us willing to follow the terms of the contract we signed.

But you keep on, dig that hole deeper, keep finding excuses for the cheaters. I for one don't care about you, or anyone like you. When you get caught, don't come looking for sympathy here, because you won't get it. Except maybe from that other person who signs up just to support something that's wrong. That will be your solace.
 
They're Slick!
That's how these folks convince others to spend money. It's nothing new. Remember the easy millions in real estate stuff? Or how to make loads of money selling products to your friends and having it drop-shipped? Make a thousand dollars a month stuffing envelopes?

There are always people looking for an easy way to make money, and a bunch more willing to sell them that easy way.

Look, hiring ghostwriters isn't new. Those twins didn't come up with that, it's been going on since people started writing. This scheme of doing audio books likely wasn't their idea, either. I mean, an audio is just a narrated story, which can be ghostwritten.

There's no such thing as passive income from writing. You'll always have to be doing something to keep it all working and selling. It's work. Plain and simple.
 
You need to remove your email, as this forum can be read by anybody.

That said, no one is making any money off this scheme other than the two who are pushing to people who don't know any better. Notice that not one single person who is actually writing books believes any of that nonsense? Because it is nothing but nonsense.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: there is no easy passive income from writing. None at all. There's no easy way to "make a million from Kindle". None at all.

Heck, even these twins are hustling their butts off, selling a dream to people who ought to have more sense.