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ask me anything you want! if you're sure you want to know....robin.goodfellow said:
OUTLANDER: Week of 1/19; Reading Chapters 16-20; Discuss Chapters 11-15 here
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Robin, we have a thread in the Book Corner someplace where people who have finished the book/series can discuss it to their hearts content. I would go and find the link, but I'm feeling too lazy right now. 
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Robin, I'm glad someone else couldn't hold back and read the whole book! I tried soooo hard to stop at chapter 20, but just couldn't - I'm merrily ignoring all housework and social obligations and spending my time absorbed in the story. Not done yet, but I bet I will be sometime this weekend. And no, giggle, no sleeping under pyramids for me, but my mind tends to travel on all sorts of tangents when I read....
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Couldn't stop myself from reading. I sat in the Logan's for another 40 minutes last night after I finished my meal just to read some more, and say I "couldn't hear the phone" for the noise in the restaurant.
Chapter 14 "A Marriage Takes Place"
8. What was the best aspect of Claire and Jamie's wedding? The most romantic? The most surprising?
"That bad, was it?" - Jamie to Claire after their wedding.
The best thing was that they managed to get through it without much of a problem. I guess the most romantic part was the gaelic lines they spoke even though they had to get cut to do it and Claire had no idea what was being said. To me the most surprising part was that the bad guy didnt show up. I kept expecting him to come in and ruin the whole thing.
8. What was the best aspect of Claire and Jamie's wedding? The most romantic? The most surprising?
"That bad, was it?" - Jamie to Claire after their wedding.
The best thing was that they managed to get through it without much of a problem. I guess the most romantic part was the gaelic lines they spoke even though they had to get cut to do it and Claire had no idea what was being said. To me the most surprising part was that the bad guy didnt show up. I kept expecting him to come in and ruin the whole thing.
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MaureenH said:
Let's lay this "ghost" to rest. From DG herself:Lizzy said:
Obviously, King Farewell isn't Book Five, but it was originally supposed to be the title of the final book. DG wrote this response before she added on books. I don't recall if the explanation is in the actual Book Five, Fiery Cross, or if we have to wait for the final book (probably another four or five years). In any case, you'll have to read them all to find out (insert evil laugh).
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Nope no explanation in any of the books out so far. I just assumed that it was his ghost not himself time traveling.gertiekindle said:
Anywhoo,
Just noting that I have finally caught up to chapter 15 and now better hurry to get through the next set for next weeks. Even though I've read them 3 times now, I'm still finding things I forgot or missed!!
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Butt in any time. Everyone's comments are welcome.katbird1 said:
Those of you who are new to the series are so lucky. You can get the first six books right away and book 7 comes out in the Fall. You're especially lucky because they are all on Kindle. I hope #7 comes out on Kindle right away and we don't have to wait.
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I've read ahead so I'll put this in with spoiler although it probably really isn't a spoiler...
When jamie is going to leave for the hunting party with the Duke, Claire wakes up and finds him watching her. He says something of "I dreamt I'd lost you and just wanted to look upon you." My thought was that he that is what the "ghost" is doing and perhaps that it is jamie, not physically time-travelling, but part of his spirit found her.
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Having read all the books, and knowing that the question of the ghost has not yet been resolved, I just wanted to say I think that is a really good guess. (nuf said)mom133d said:
Chapter 15 "Revelations of the Bridal Chamber"
9. In what ways were both Jamie and Claire vulnerable on their wedding night?
Jaime was because he was a virgin and didnt exactly know what to do. Claire was because she was thinking of her husband and she said that she hadnt been with any man but him for eight years and now its only been six weeks and shes already cheating on him.
10. How do you feel about the issue of honesty (and Claire's hesitancy)?
Jamie is hiding things and i dont know why after all they are married now. Claire cant tell him the whole truth cause she'd look like a nut.
9. In what ways were both Jamie and Claire vulnerable on their wedding night?
Jaime was because he was a virgin and didnt exactly know what to do. Claire was because she was thinking of her husband and she said that she hadnt been with any man but him for eight years and now its only been six weeks and shes already cheating on him.
10. How do you feel about the issue of honesty (and Claire's hesitancy)?
Jamie is hiding things and i dont know why after all they are married now. Claire cant tell him the whole truth cause she'd look like a nut.
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Not really a book club question but since everyone's reading Outlander here - are y'all able to change the justification? I can't get it to left-justify, it's stuck in full justification. I know how to change it, it just won't change. Maybe it's formatted not to change? Just curious...I prefer left justification so all the weird spacing doesn't happen - I find it distracting. But not so much I don't enjoy the book!
Chapter 12 "The Garrison Commander"
3. What is your perception of Claire and Jamie's changing relationship? (He sleeps outside her door for protection...)
It seems like a natural progression. He cares for her but she has a wall up and he isn't able to do more (I think he would like to but he's too honorable to push himself on her). This is helping Claire to trust Jamie and will help her feel more than an attraction to him. I like their verbal exchange - more humor
"I'm sorry I stepped on you"
"No harm done, Sassenach," he said. "As soon as the headache goes away and the cracked rib heals, I'll be good as new"
4. How has Claire changed between her first and second encounter with Black Jack Randall (at Fort William)?
I agree that Claire understands more about where she is (this is not a movie) so is more sure of herself. If Claire does get back, will her contact with his ancestor affect the way she is with Frank?
"Your wig is crooked." - Claire to Jack Randall after he punches her.
This is a lot like what I would expect Jamie to say; seems like he and Claire have a lot in common.
Chapter 13 "A Marriage Is Announced"
5. How did you feel when first learning Claire and Jamie were to be married?
I thought, at 1st that it came out of nowhere. That might stem from my opinion of Dougal. I could not see how it would benefit him.
Loved the 1945 Claire that come out when she found out she was going to get married. The reaction of the men to a woman who would act like that was great.
6. What is the significance of the Pictish cross being mentioned again?
Celtic Crosses are imbued with continuous and interwoven knot and spiral motifs symbolizing the continuity of life, death and rebirth. For Claire this is what she is experiencing. Her life continues but her old life is dying and she is being reborn into a new life 200 years earlier and with another man.
Dougal stops at the crossroads with the Pictish cross and asks Claire if she is a spy and if so for whom.)
7. How did the description of Jamie's flogging affect you?
This part was hard to read as well it should be. Claire is learning more and more about who Jamie is and is moving her on the road to loving him and away from Frank.
This is another aspect of Dougal. He obviously cares about Jamie but at the same time is ruthless with him - using Jamie for his own benefit without caring how Jamie felt.
Jamie was my patient, and to some extent, my friend as well.- Claire's thoughts at the crossroads.
3. What is your perception of Claire and Jamie's changing relationship? (He sleeps outside her door for protection...)
It seems like a natural progression. He cares for her but she has a wall up and he isn't able to do more (I think he would like to but he's too honorable to push himself on her). This is helping Claire to trust Jamie and will help her feel more than an attraction to him. I like their verbal exchange - more humor
"I'm sorry I stepped on you"
"No harm done, Sassenach," he said. "As soon as the headache goes away and the cracked rib heals, I'll be good as new"
4. How has Claire changed between her first and second encounter with Black Jack Randall (at Fort William)?
I agree that Claire understands more about where she is (this is not a movie) so is more sure of herself. If Claire does get back, will her contact with his ancestor affect the way she is with Frank?
"Your wig is crooked." - Claire to Jack Randall after he punches her.
This is a lot like what I would expect Jamie to say; seems like he and Claire have a lot in common.
Chapter 13 "A Marriage Is Announced"
5. How did you feel when first learning Claire and Jamie were to be married?
I thought, at 1st that it came out of nowhere. That might stem from my opinion of Dougal. I could not see how it would benefit him.
Loved the 1945 Claire that come out when she found out she was going to get married. The reaction of the men to a woman who would act like that was great.
6. What is the significance of the Pictish cross being mentioned again?
Celtic Crosses are imbued with continuous and interwoven knot and spiral motifs symbolizing the continuity of life, death and rebirth. For Claire this is what she is experiencing. Her life continues but her old life is dying and she is being reborn into a new life 200 years earlier and with another man.
Dougal stops at the crossroads with the Pictish cross and asks Claire if she is a spy and if so for whom.)
7. How did the description of Jamie's flogging affect you?
This part was hard to read as well it should be. Claire is learning more and more about who Jamie is and is moving her on the road to loving him and away from Frank.
This is another aspect of Dougal. He obviously cares about Jamie but at the same time is ruthless with him - using Jamie for his own benefit without caring how Jamie felt.
Jamie was my patient, and to some extent, my friend as well.- Claire's thoughts at the crossroads.
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It's been a very busy/complicated week so I haven't been able to post here.... but I am current on my reading so I'm thinking of all of you and have just finished reading your posts. This was such a great week of reading and I love your quotes Gertie!! Jamie's quote after the wedding when Claire wakes up after fainting is one of my very favorites too.
I also laughed when I read the quote from Claire saying that Dougal could always tap dance. But, to me.... what REALLY made that funny is that Jamie was totally baffled...... tap dance didn't exist back then... see below
Tap dance emerged from mid-1800s competitions between African, Irish, and Scottish immigrant communities. The step, stomp, and rhythm dancing fused to form what is known as tap. Tap was extrememly popular in Vaudville and in films throughout the first half of the 20th century.
How great was that wedding?? Jamie was totally "Claire focused"...... wanted to look good for Claire.... insisted that Claire have a beautiful dress to wear for her sake - not his...... risked using his real name to insure the ceremony was legal so that Black Jack couldn't get to Claire.... and on and on into the wedding night...... sigh......
I also laughed when I read the quote from Claire saying that Dougal could always tap dance. But, to me.... what REALLY made that funny is that Jamie was totally baffled...... tap dance didn't exist back then... see below
Tap dance emerged from mid-1800s competitions between African, Irish, and Scottish immigrant communities. The step, stomp, and rhythm dancing fused to form what is known as tap. Tap was extrememly popular in Vaudville and in films throughout the first half of the 20th century.
How great was that wedding?? Jamie was totally "Claire focused"...... wanted to look good for Claire.... insisted that Claire have a beautiful dress to wear for her sake - not his...... risked using his real name to insure the ceremony was legal so that Black Jack couldn't get to Claire.... and on and on into the wedding night...... sigh......
As usuall, reading everyones comments gives me a greater appreciation for (and a new way of looking at) the events and characters in this book. So here are more of my opinions
Chapter 14 "A Marriage Takes Place"
8. What was the best aspect of Claire and Jamie's wedding? The most romantic? The most surprising?
The most romantic part was how Jamie arranged for a real wedding for both him and Claire. He knows Claire doesn't love him but he does love her and he shows it with his actions not with his words.
I was a bit surprised that they were being married at the same chapel as Claire and Frank but what really surprised me was the blood oath.
Claire - "A blood vow? What do the words mean?"
Jamie - "About the same as the regular vows , just a little bit more…primitive"
"That bad, was it?" - Jamie to Claire after their wedding. Jamie knows his feelings are not returned - yet
Chapter 15 "Revelations of the Bridal Chamber"
9. In what ways were both Jamie and Claire vulnerable on their wedding night?
I agree that Claire was risking her friendship with Jamie turning into something deeper when she is still planning to get back to Frank. Also there is the issue of trust. She still doesn't know Jamie (and he doesn't really know her). It takes a lot of trust to sleep (just sleep) with someone because you are totally vulnerable when you're sleeping. I can see how she would be concerned when she found out Jamie slept armed
By this time Jamie is really in love with Claire. He is risking embarrassment because he is a virgin and he is risking his heart because Claire could still reject him. He's lost so much, I don't think he can stand to lose much more.
10. How do you feel about the issue of honesty (and Claire's hesitancy)?
Chapter 14 "A Marriage Takes Place"
8. What was the best aspect of Claire and Jamie's wedding? The most romantic? The most surprising?
The most romantic part was how Jamie arranged for a real wedding for both him and Claire. He knows Claire doesn't love him but he does love her and he shows it with his actions not with his words.
I was a bit surprised that they were being married at the same chapel as Claire and Frank but what really surprised me was the blood oath.
Claire - "A blood vow? What do the words mean?"
Jamie - "About the same as the regular vows , just a little bit more…primitive"
"That bad, was it?" - Jamie to Claire after their wedding. Jamie knows his feelings are not returned - yet
Chapter 15 "Revelations of the Bridal Chamber"
9. In what ways were both Jamie and Claire vulnerable on their wedding night?
I agree that Claire was risking her friendship with Jamie turning into something deeper when she is still planning to get back to Frank. Also there is the issue of trust. She still doesn't know Jamie (and he doesn't really know her). It takes a lot of trust to sleep (just sleep) with someone because you are totally vulnerable when you're sleeping. I can see how she would be concerned when she found out Jamie slept armed
By this time Jamie is really in love with Claire. He is risking embarrassment because he is a virgin and he is risking his heart because Claire could still reject him. He's lost so much, I don't think he can stand to lose much more.
10. How do you feel about the issue of honesty (and Claire's hesitancy)?
Didn't Claire's hesitancy come before Jamie said they could keep their secrets as long as what they did say was the truth? She may have been worried to the she would not be believed and would have ended up in a lunacy asylum.
Ch. 14 - I liked the way that Jamie wanted to make the wedding so special for Claire. I think he loves her. I think, Claire is starting to fall in love, despite herself, resisting it, because she's married to Frank & because she wants to go back home to the future.
Surprised at the blood oath, actually horrified. Surprised at being at the same church that she married Frank. That would leave me feeling a bit unsettled.
I was surprised that Dougal would even take Claire to Black Jack fully knowing that he was a brutal, sadistic person. I supposed since he thought she was a spy, then he didn't care about her. Then again, at that point, maybe he didn't have a choice. If Black Jack wanted to see her, then Dougal had no choice. Then when he saw her face & condition afterwards, he charged up to confront Black Jack, which meant that he hadn't expected the brutality.
Yes, I was also wanting to know about if the ghost was Jamie, but thought it was. Yes, it's more than possible that he too time traveled.
I too am having trouble restraining myself from not reading the whole book. It's so good.
Surprised at the blood oath, actually horrified. Surprised at being at the same church that she married Frank. That would leave me feeling a bit unsettled.
I was surprised that Dougal would even take Claire to Black Jack fully knowing that he was a brutal, sadistic person. I supposed since he thought she was a spy, then he didn't care about her. Then again, at that point, maybe he didn't have a choice. If Black Jack wanted to see her, then Dougal had no choice. Then when he saw her face & condition afterwards, he charged up to confront Black Jack, which meant that he hadn't expected the brutality.
Yes, I was also wanting to know about if the ghost was Jamie, but thought it was. Yes, it's more than possible that he too time traveled.
I too am having trouble restraining myself from not reading the whole book. It's so good.
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