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Quite a week's reading, wasn't it. Now we are at the end, but I'm ready to go on if you are.

Next Monday, we will start reading Dragonfly in Amber. It's over 700 pages, so I would like to read approximately 100 pages a week. I'll post the schedule on 2/23 and we'll start discussing on 3/2.

Here are this week's questions.

Part 6 and 7--Outlander
"The Search" "Salvation"
Chapters 34-41

PART SIX - "THE SEARCH"

Chapter 34 - Dougal's Story

1. Do you think Claire and Murtagh's feelings about each other changed during their search for Jamie?

2. What did you think of Dougal's story and proposal?

3. Why do you think Rupert and the others joined Claire and Murtagh in the rescue attempt?

PART SEVEN - "SANCTUARY"

Chapter 35 - Wentworth Prison

4. How did you feel when you realized Jack Randall was at the prison?

5. What did you think when Randall let Claire go?

Chapter 36 - MacRannoch

6. What did you think of the rescue plan? Did you think it would work?

7. Did you think Jamie would recover from his experiences?

Chapter 37 - Escape

8. Do you think it was easy for Claire to kill the soldier?

Chapter 38 - The Abbey

9. How did Claire's feelings about the Church change at the Abbey?

Chapter 39 - To Ransom a Man's Soul

10. How did you feel when Jamie told Claire about his rape and told her to go back to Frank?

11. What did you think of the "exorcism"?

12. What did you think of Jack trying to make Jamie say he loved him and calling him Alex?

Chapter 40 - Absolution

13. Do you think Father Anselm's absolution helped Claire? Did you agree with his conclusions about her time travel?

Chapter 41 - From the Womb of the Earth

14. What did you think of the book's ending
 

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Part 6 and 7--Outlander
"The Search" "Salvation"
Chapters 34-41

PART SIX - "THE SEARCH"

Chapter 34 - Dougal's Story


1. Do you think Claire and Murtagh's feelings about each other changed during their search for Jamie?

Yes. They are beginning to understand and respect each other. They have a common purpose and a shared love for Jamie.

"Then Dougal will bury us wi' him, one on either side."

Claire especially is finding out that there is more to Murtagh than meets the eye.

2. What did you think of Dougal's story and proposal?

Dougal's story filled in a lot of blanks. We knew he was deeply committed to the Stuart cause, which is probably how he and Gellie got together. I think he was truly grieved at her loss, more so because of how she died. Once again, Dougal sacrifices someone, in this case his lover, for the good of Clan MacKenzie, not to mention saving his own hide. He paid the price, though. He had to give up a second son. At least he can watch Hamish grow and have some hand in his raising. Hamish is probably the reason Dougal stayed at Castle Leoch so much.

When I think about it, Dougal's proposal to Claire isn't so surprising. There is his physical attraction to her and I think he wants a woman as strong as he is, like Gellie. The added attraction is Lallybroch. With Jamie dead, the estate goes to Claire. With Claire then married to Dougal, he has complete control. He seems pretty convinced he can have a son with Claire as well; this time a son he can acknowledge.

3. Why do you think Rupert and the others joined Claire and Murtagh in the rescue attempt?

They are all pretty fond of Jamie, not to mention he's a MacKenzie and they aren't about to let him hang. I don't think any of them can resist the chance to get back at the English, either.

Maybe that's all wrong. Maybe they feel it's a lost cause anyway, but at least they are making a show of solidarity. Can they live with themselves if they don't try?

PART SEVEN - "SANCTUARY"

Chapter 35 - Wentworth Prison

4. How did you feel when you realized Jack Randall was at the prison?


Sickened. He must have heard Jamie was at Wentworth, sentenced to be hanged, and it would be his last chance at him. (Shudder)

5. What did you think when Randall let Claire go?

Notice how he let her go. He shoved her into the garbage ditch, knowing there would be wolves. He never had any intention of letting her get away. He kept his word to Jamie and escorted her out of the prison, but he sent her to what he thought was certain death.

Chapter 36 - MacRannoch

6. What did you think of the rescue plan? Did you think it would work?


It was a desperate plan, but it had to work. Thank goodness for Rupert's cattle lifting expertise and Murtagh for thinking of it.

7. Did you think Jamie would recover from his experiences?

Of course. He had Claire, but I sure couldn't see how it was going to happen.

Chapter 37 - Escape

8. Do you think it was easy for Claire to kill the soldier?


Yes. Claire had already killed twice to save herself and Jamie. She didn't like it, but there was nothing else to be done. Claire always does what needs to be done.

Chapter 38 - The Abbey

9. How did Claire's feelings about the Church change at the Abbey?


I don't think she had much feeling about the Church one way or the other, but the Church, in the form of Father Anselm, was there when desperately needed. I'm not sure Claire's feelings toward the Church changes so much as she found what she needed with Father Anselm.

Chapter 39 - To Ransom a Man's Soul

10. How did you feel when Jamie told Claire about his rape and told her to go back to Frank?


It think I felt just as desperate as Claire did. I didn't know how they were going to get past this. Jamie was completely broken, deathly ill and had no will to live. I knew Claire wouldn't give up; it's not in her nature. I think she was near hysteria when they gave Jamie the last rites, but I think that also helped firm her resolve to save him.

11. What did you think of the "exorcism"?

What courage it took for Claire to do that. The whole scene was like a nightmare from hell.

"... maned in fire and mantled in blood ..."

She knew she had to make Jamie fight Black Jack to give him back his self-respect. It was an awful risk to take. She made him go through everything all over again, but it had to be done if Jamie was to have any chance at all.

12. What did you think of Jack trying to make Jamie say he loved him and calling him Alex?

Obviously, Randall's perversions extended to his younger brother. It's probably also part of what attracted to him to Alex McGregor and I think we now know what happened to make the boy commit suicide. Is there nothing at all decent about this man? Oh, yes. He's very neat.

Chapter 40 - Absolution

13. Do you think Father Anselm's absolution helped Claire? Did you agree with his conclusions about her time travel?


Yes, I think Father Anselm helped Claire. He posed a lot of questions for her to answer, but he started her thinking, too. We already discussed that it was okay for her to marry Jamie because Frank hadn't been born yet.

Chapter 41 - From the Womb of the Earth

14. What did you think of the book's ending


I felt like Jamie found his center again. He'll never completely put the experience behind him, but as MacRannoch advised,

"Mmphm." Ye're no goin' to forget it," he said abruptly. "Don't bother to try. If ye can, let it heal like the rest o' your wounds. "Don't pick at it and it'll mend clean." ... "Scars are nothin' to trouble ye'."

With Claire's help, he's beginning to do that.

With his usual perception, Jamie knows that Claire is pregnant. It must have happened the first night he came to her at the monastery. It's another reason for Jamie to live and rebuild his life with Claire.

Now they are going to Rome. What happens next? We'll be starting to read Dragonfly in Amber next Monday.
 

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*OMG, what a fantastic book!!! I finished the book last night.
*I think Murtage had a crush on Jamie's Mom, or just thought that she was pretty, because he mention that he couldn't resist her smile.
*Who is Hamish's mother, if Dougal is the father?
*Randall mentions his younger brother, Alex. Alex is Jamie's middle name. Then, Randall's brother Alex is supposed to be a religious person. Then, there is a religious person at the Abbey that is named Alex. Is Alex the person related to Jamie? Any connection here - Randall's brother & the Abbey? This is my first read, so sometimes it's hard to remember the names. I know Jamie has a relative there at the Abbey. I was thinking about Frank's link to these people.
*I think it was difficult for Claire to kill that young boy/soldier, but she had to do it.
*I wasn't quite sure why Claire had let Jamie go so far as to almost kill her, at the time that I was reading it. I did understand it afterwards. From what you said, Gertie, it helped to clarify it.
* On Guiding Light, there is a soap opera character named Johnathan Randall, who happens to be anti -authority/ the bad boy. I heard that name the other day & stopped in my tracks as I was walking by. On As The World Turns, another soap, there is a person that looks like Black Jack in my mind & his TV character is bad. Now, every time I see him, it's Black Jack.
*There were so many parts that I loved reading. So many favorite parts. I cringed when reading the bad parts. I think all the characters had to be there,to have the story make sense. I loved so many of the characters. However, I didn't like Loughair, for setting Claire up, Father Bain, who made up a story, who lied & almost got Claire killed at the witches trial. Dougal for trying to rape Claire. Geille, I forgive her, because she made sure that Claire did not burn & told Dougal to reveal her time traveling secrets. I wasn't surprised that she was a time traveler. She came from the 1960's. The next book is supposed to place Claire in the 1960's. My biggest surprise was Claire telling Jamie that she was a time traveler. She sure had courage, yet it was the right thing to do. No more secrets. She could be herself. (I hope you don't mine me combining last weeks question's discussions with this week. I really had to think about it & not just agree with everyone else.
 

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Toby said:
*OMG, what a fantastic book!!! I finished the book last night.
That's what I like to hear!!!!! ;D ;D ;D

*I think Murtage had a crush on Jamie's Mom, or just thought that she was pretty, because he mention that he couldn't resist her smile.
Yes. It was Murtagh who gave Ellen MacKenzie Fraser the boar's tusk bracelets that Jenny gives to Claire. And it was MacRannoch who gave Ellen the pearls that Jamie gave Claire. Ellen was quite a popular lady. ;)

*Who is Hamish's mother, if Dougal is the father?
Letitia, Colum's wife. Colum probably asked Dougal to father a child for him and the two of them convinced Letitia it was the only way she could ever have a child. They were all three in on it.

*Randall mentions his younger brother, Alex. Alex is Jamie's middle name. Then, Randall's brother Alex is supposed to be a religious person. Then, there is a religious person at the Abbey that is named Alex. Is Alex the person related to Jamie? Any connection here - Randall's brother & the Abbey? This is my first read, so sometimes it's hard to remember the names. I know Jamie has a relative there at the Abbey. I was thinking about Frank's link to these people.
I don't think Randall knows Jamie's middle name. Alex who is the Abbott at St. Anne de Beaupre is Jamie's Fraser uncle. Randall has a younger brother named Alex who is a clergyman, but he's Church of England and has no connection to Jamie. I think Randall is referring to his younger brother Alex, when he's beating Jamie.

*I wasn't quite sure why Claire had let Jamie go so far as to almost kill her, at the time that I was reading it. I did understand it afterwards. From what you said, Gertie, it helped to clarify it.
That was a tough one for me, too. But I've read it so many times I now understand what went on. Glad I could help.

*There were so many parts that I loved reading. So many favorite parts. I cringed when reading the bad parts.
There were a lot of very intense parts and you're right, they were sometimes difficult to read. Even now, they will affect me. That's probably why I never read the book straight through. I have to take a breather every now and then.

(I hope you don't mine me combining last weeks question's discussions with this week. I really had to think about it & not just agree with everyone else.
Not at all. That's the idea of a book club, that you think about what you have read and express your opinion. I hope the questions helped you do that.

Join us next week when we start reading Dragonfly in Amber.
 

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Such good questions and so much to think about. I have never done a book club before this one, never saw the purpose. But, I have gotten so much more out of this book because of the discussion than I did when initially reading it. The different ways all of you have seen things have helped me expand my views and get much more enjoyment from the book than I had on my own. Thank you for that.

8. Do you think it was easy for Claire to kill the soldier?
Yes. Claire had already killed twice to save herself and Jamie. She didn't like it, but there was nothing else to be done. Claire always does what needs to be done.
*I think it was difficult for Claire to kill that young boy/soldier, but she had to do it.
I think you both have a point. I think it was easier for Claire to make the decision to kill the soldier and it was physically easier for her to kill him. Because she had killed before she was able to come to that mindset sooner and with less self recrimination than before. However, I don't think the aftermath of killing the soldier was any easier than the 1st time she killed. Strangely I think being a nurse helped her to kill. She had seen death. She had to stand by and watch people die knowing there was nothing she could do to save them. In a way, that is what she did with the soldier. He had to die. There was nothing she could do to save him. But that doesn't mean she wasn't affected by it afterwards.

It's late so I'm going to bed now, I'll try to post more later.

I'm looking forward to reading Dragonfly in Amber. I'm going to be pretty busy the next couple of weeks but I would like to participate as time allows.
 

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Chapter 34 - Dougal's Story

1. Do you think Claire and Murtagh's feelings about each other changed during their search for Jamie?
I think they are building trust and each is seeing how devoted the other is to Jamie.

2. What did you think of Dougal's story and proposal?
Dougal was telling the truth about not thinking Jamie could be rescued. His proposal was very ill-timed. He shows here that he has wanted Claire for himself all along, and this is the perfect opportunity. Jamie is gone and he thinks Claire is helpless and vulnerable. He couldn’t have underestimated Claire more.

3. Why do you think Rupert and the others joined Claire and Murtagh in the rescue attempt?
Family is the most important thing, and Jamie is a McKenzie. I also think this shows their loyalty and feeling to Claire, that they would follow her lead.

PART SEVEN - "SANCTUARY"

Chapter 35 - Wentworth Prison

4. How did you feel when you realized Jack Randall was at the prison?
Black Jack would finally get his revenge.

5. What did you think when Randall let Claire go?
He was sure that she would not make it off the grounds of the prison, so she would die and he would have Jamie all to himself. He was extremely jealous of Claire.

Chapter 36 - MacRannoch

6. What did you think of the rescue plan? Did you think it would work?
It was outrageous enough to work.

7. Did you think Jamie would recover from his experiences?
It seemed like Randall had broken Jamie’s spirit. I knew he would live, but he could not recover from what had been done to him psychologically.

Chapter 37 - Escape

8. Do you think it was easy for Claire to kill the soldier?
No, it was not easy, but it was a choice between the soldier and Jamie, and Jamie would always come first.

Chapter 38 - The Abbey

9. How did Claire's feelings about the Church change at the Abbey?
Claire began to see that the Church was more than just ritual and rules, it was about people.

Chapter 39 - To Ransom a Man's Soul

10. How did you feel when Jamie told Claire about his rape and told her to go back to Frank?
Jamie had given up. He wanted to be left to die rather than live with the humiliation. He still loved Claire, and wanted her to have a live that he thought he could never give her.

11. What did you think of the "exorcism"?
It was spooky. It looked like Jamie could very possibly kill Claire, since he thought he was fighting Black Jack. I don’t think I drew a breath the whole time I was reading it.

12.  What did you think of Jack trying to make Jamie say he loved him and calling him Alex? 
If Jamie said he loved Black Jack, then Jack won. He was delusional and evidentially thought Jamie was someone else, maybe an old lover?


Chapter 40 - Absolution

13. Do you think Father Anselm's absolution helped Claire? Did you agree with his conclusions about her time travel?
He helped her come to terms with her time travel, which is something she had not really done to this point. It would be terrifying to worry that things you might do could change the course of history, and then what would happen to the people you left in the future. Would they still be there? I think he had some valid points, maybe her travelling back in time was her destiny.

Chapter 41 - From the Womb of the Earth

14. What did you think of the book's ending
I couldn’t wait to start the next book to see what happened next. Although, I did wonder about when Claire got pregnant.
 

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12. What did you think of Jack trying to make Jamie say he loved him and calling him Alex?

Obviously, Randall’s perversions extended to his younger brother. It’s probably also part of what attracted to him to Alex McGregor and I think we now know what happened to make the boy commit suicide. Is there nothing at all decent about this man? Oh, yes. He’s very neat.
Gertie! LOL!!!

I have been MIA for most of the klub, and I apologize. For the next book I'm going to try to read along instead of finishing the book in week two. I got so afraid I'd let something slip!

Love this book... love all of them, but this is my favorite. Looking forward to Dragonfly in Amber!
 

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imallbs said:
Such good questions and so much to think about. I have never done a book club before this one, never saw the purpose. But, I have gotten so much more out of this book because of the discussion than I did when initially reading it. The different ways all of you have seen things have helped me expand my views and get much more enjoyment from the book than I had on my own. Thank you for that.
I think we should all pat ourselves on the back. Everyone has given thoughtful answers and brought a lot to the discussion.

However, I don't think the aftermath of killing the soldier was any easier than the 1st time she killed.
Yes, I missed that point.

I'm looking forward to reading Dragonfly in Amber. I'm going to be pretty busy the next couple of weeks but I would like to participate as time allows.
Join us as you can. It's all good.

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2. What did you think of Dougal's story and proposal?
Dougal was telling the truth about not thinking Jamie could be rescued. His proposal was very ill-timed. He shows here that he has wanted Claire for himself all along, and this is the perfect opportunity. Jamie is gone and he thinks Claire is helpless and vulnerable. He couldn't have underestimated Claire more.
"Ill-timed" is the nicest thing you could say about Dougal's proposal. :D But as you say, he thinks this is the perfect opportunity, and Dougal is nothing if not an opportunist.

5. What did you think when Randall let Claire go?
He was sure that she would not make it off the grounds of the prison, so she would die and he would have Jamie all to himself. He was extremely jealous of Claire.
Thanks for pointing that out. Randall really did have good reason, in his own mind, for trying to get rid of Claire. The obvious is that she's a witness, which he doesn't want, but jealously is also an underlying motive.

How do you think Randall felt when Claire knew so much about him, but also predicted the date of his death?

6. What did you think of the rescue plan? Did you think it would work?
It was outrageous enough to work.
Well said. ;)

9. How did Claire's feelings about the Church change at the Abbey?
Claire began to see that the Church was more than just ritual and rules, it was about people.
I hadn't thought of it that way, but I think you hit the nail on the head.

Chapter 39 - To Ransom a Man's Soul

11. What did you think of the "exorcism"?
It was spooky. It looked like Jamie could very possibly kill Claire, since he thought he was fighting Black Jack. I don't think I drew a breath the whole time I was reading it.
All I can say is ... yeah. Breathing was not much of an option.

13. Do you think Father Anselm's absolution helped Claire? Did you agree with his conclusions about her time travel?
He helped her come to terms with her time travel, which is something she had not really done to this point. It would be terrifying to worry that things you might do could change the course of history, and then what would happen to the people you left in the future. Would they still be there? I think he had some valid points, maybe her travelling back in time was her destiny.
I thought Father Anselm made a very good point when he told her that everything we do every day affects the future. He also reminded her of all the lives she probably saved and how those people or their descendants might affect the future for good or ill.

14. What did you think of the book's ending
I couldn't wait to start the next book to see what happened next. Although, I did wonder about when Claire got pregnant.
I'm convinced Claire got pregnant that first night they made love after the exorcism.

12. What did you think of Jack trying to make Jamie say he loved him and calling him Alex?

Obviously, Randall's perversions extended to his younger brother. It's probably also part of what attracted to him to Alex McGregor and I think we now know what happened to make the boy commit suicide. Is there nothing at all decent about this man? Oh, yes. He's very neat.
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Gertie! LOL!!!
I thought that was a very Claire-esque observation. ;D

I have been MIA for most of the klub, and I apologize. For the next book I'm going to try to read along instead of finishing the book in week two. I got so afraid I'd let something slip!
That's okay. It's hard not to read ahead.

Love this book... love all of them, but this is my favorite. Looking forward to Dragonfly in Amber!
My favorite, too. I'll sometimes read others in the series, but Outlander is definitely the best.
 

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I didn't drop out, but I had read ahead, and have read this several times, and was afraid of spoilers.  Also reading IHN and had to quit that because I read ahead  :mad:  Luckily they caught up with me.  I also had to read the third Distant Cousin it was burning a hole in my kindle.  I did download Dragonfly and will probably start that this weekend.  Promise I'll do better  ;)
 

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I didn't drop out, but I had read ahead, and have read this several times, and was afraid of spoilers. Also reading IHN and had to quit that because I read ahead :mad: Luckily they caught up with me. I also had to read the third Distant Cousin it was burning a hole in my kindle. I did download Dragonfly and will probably start that this weekend. Promise I'll do better ;)
Oh, no. Don't burn a hole in your Kindle!!

I'll post the reading schedule for Dragonfly in Amber on Monday. Because a lot of people read ahead (see, you're not alone), I'm going to keep to a faster reading schedule. I hope that will help everyone. There are some parts I'm getting anxious to get to in DiA. What am I saying ... confession time ... I searched for them and highlighted. Looooove my Kindle. ;D
 

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    Thanks Gertie, I forgot about Randall's English connection. Knew it was the younger brother that he was delusional about. I guess I was making up a story or trying to figure out ahead of time the next book all the different Alex's.  ;D Someone or the book mentioned that if Jamie had told Randall that he loved him back as he was told to do, then Randall would have killed him. I'm confused about this. Anyone?
***Ahhh, Gertie, I hadn't remembered that it was Murtugh that gave the bracelet to Jamie's mom. Remembered about the pearls & then the bracelet from the "bear" man. LOL! Jamie's mom was quite the catch, it seems.
***Yes, now I remember reading about Column's wife. Thanks Gertie.
***Me too with holding my breath. I had to force myself to not resist reading the bad, intense parts. After all, even though the characters are fictional, they are more real to me than most people, which is the greatest credit to the author for doing such a fantastic job. She wrote everything as if she were an artist capturing/drawing out the true essence of a scene. There was no show of embarrassment in describing intimate or private scenes. Therefore she made you, the reader, feel comfortable as well.
***Okay, shhhh! don't tell anyone. I starting reading book 2 last night. I stil feel that you have to read book 1 to really get all of the nuances of book 2. Last year, I was given all the Outlander books, except for book 1, Outlander, to read. I just happened to be reading a book for another book club, so I kept putting off reading them. Then, just when I picked up book 2 to start reading again, same 1st chapter, my friend's sister, who raved about the series, asked to have them back so she could lend them to another friend. I am glad that I didn't read them then. 1, the font was so small in the paperbacks & they were too big/heavy to carry in my handbag with me. The Kindle seems to give a more intimate reading experience, maybe because the font is larger. Even so, I've been thinking that maybe I should buy the paperbacks some time later, because I like this book so much, just in case something happens to my Kindle.  :) Not sure what to do. Buy books to let them just sit there just to make sure, while reading is easier on the Kindle.
***tlshaw, oh that's so interesting, about your church comment. It's about the people, not the rituals. Traditions & the people passing them down.
*** Father Anselm did answer my questions as well about what you do affecting the future & knowing in advance because of being fom the future.
***I wonder, in book 2, do we ever find out what Claire tells Frank where she has been missing to? Okay, I"ll take a deep breath. We haven't started book 2 yet, but I can't stop myself from asking this question. Gertie, book 2, DIA, is listed as over 950 pages. Wheww!!
 

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Toby:
You asked about Jamie thinking Randall woud kill him if he admitted he loved him. I have wondered about that as well, because it would have meant Randall won. But would he? Admitting love for another man might have been seen as a weakness Randall saw in himself, and could not handle in someone else. We most often hate the weaknesses in other people that we also have.
 

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Toby said:
***Me too with holding my breath. I had to force myself to not resist reading the bad, intense parts. After all, even though the characters are fictional, they are more real to me than most people, which is the greatest credit to the author for doing such a fantastic job. She wrote everything as if she were an artist capturing/drawing out the true essence of a scene. There was no show of embarrassment in describing intimate or private scenes. Therefore she made you, the reader, feel comfortable as well.
Outlander was the first book I ever discussed as if the characters were real people.

***Okay, shhhh! don't tell anyone. I starting reading book 2 last night. I stil feel that you have to read book 1 to really get all of the nuances of book 2. Last year, I was given all the Outlander books, except for book 1, Outlander, to read. I just happened to be reading a book for another book club, so I kept putting off reading them. Then, just when I picked up book 2 to start reading again, same 1st chapter, my friend's sister, who raved about the series, asked to have them back so she could lend them to another friend. I am glad that I didn't read them then. 1, the font was so small in the paperbacks & they were too big/heavy to carry in my handbag with me. The Kindle seems to give a more intimate reading experience, maybe because the font is larger. Even so, I've been thinking that maybe I should buy the paperbacks some time later, because I like this book so much, just in case something happens to my Kindle. :) Not sure what to do. Buy books to let them just sit there just to make sure, while reading is easier on the Kindle.
Boy, that was close. You would never have understood DiA without reading Outlander. I can't imagine why your friend would start you off that way. And look what you would have missed.

Don't forget, even if your Kindle dies, Amazon backs up your books so you don't lose them.

***I wonder, in book 2, do we ever find out what Claire tells Frank where she has been missing to? Okay, I"ll take a deep breath. We haven't started book 2 yet, but I can't stop myself from asking this question. Gertie, book 2, DIA, is listed as over 950 pages. Wheww!!
Is that the PB at 950 pages? The hardcover is 743. Sounds better, right?

Don't ask me about Claire and Frank. I'm totally anti-spoiler. :D

tlshaw said:
Toby:
You asked about Jamie thinking Randall would kill him if he admitted he loved him. I have wondered about that as well, because it would have meant Randall won. But would he? Admitting love for another man might have been seen as a weakness Randall saw in himself, and could not handle in someone else. We most often hate the weaknesses in other people that we also have.
Yes, that is something to think about. Maybe once Randall "won" he would have no further use for Jamie. I have also thought that Jamie was a substitute for Alex in this instance, and since Jamie wasn't really Alex, Randall would have felt cheated and so killed Jamie.

Or maybe it was just something that stuck in Jamie's mind. He wouldn't say "I love you" to anyone else but Claire. It was the one thing he held on to and if he said it, he would have wanted Randall to kill him.
 

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I have discovered that I'm a very, very BAD book klub participant!  I haven't participated much, mostly because I finished Outlander around Christmas and am almost finished with Dragonfly.  I have really enjoyed reading everyone's responses though, it's definitely helped with my interpretation of certain parts.  I haven't participated much for the same reason, I finished it forever ago and didn't want to ruin anything for anyone! 
I'm glad you guys are starting Dragonfly next week!  I'll probably do the same, peek in but not participate much.  I'll probably finish it tonight  ;D !  Bad, bad Book Klub reader!! 
 

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Jen said:
I have discovered that I'm a very, very BAD book klub participant! I haven't participated much, mostly because I finished Outlander around Christmas and am almost finished with Dragonfly. I have really enjoyed reading everyone's responses though, it's definitely helped with my interpretation of certain parts. I haven't participated much for the same reason, I finished it forever ago and didn't want to ruin anything for anyone!
I'm glad you guys are starting Dragonfly next week! I'll probably do the same, peek in but not participate much. I'll probably finish it tonight ;D ! Bad, bad Book Klub reader!!
LOL! Me too! I'm in three Book Klubs and I finished all of the books WAY ahead of schedule. So I pop in and lurk, but don't actually post. I'm going to try harder next time... ;D
 

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I will also have to join the list of a bad book klubber. I finished Outlander and love it.  I love lurking and reading what everyone else thinks.I am in school online and find answering the questions feels like more school work. I have started reading Dragonfly in Amber now.
 

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tlshaw said:
Ahhhh - you will have to read the series to find out. I can't tell you because Gertie might give me a wedgie for spoiling it.
You got that right!! :D The infamous KILT WEDGIE.



All you so-called Bad Book-Klubbers ... I don't blame you at all. The book was too good to hold back. That's why we are reading DiA faster.

Anne said:
I will also have to join the list of a bad book klubber. I finished Outlander and love it. I love lurking and reading what everyone else thinks.I am in school online and find answering the questions feels like more school work. I have started reading Dragonfly in Amber now.
Anne, answering the questions is in no way mandatory except for me. They are just to help start the discussion. You can always comment on what someone else has said, comment on any question that started you thinking, or anything else you want to discuss outside the questions, as long as it is in the current chapter set.

I have noticed how many people have been reading along with the discussion, which is fantastic.
 

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gertiekindle said:
You got that right!! :D The infamous KILT WEDGIE.



All you so-called Bad Book-Klubbers ... I don't blame you at all. The book was too good to hold back. That's why we are reading DiA faster.

Anne, answering the questions is in no way mandatory except for me. They are just to help start the discussion. You can always comment on what someone else has said, comment on any question that started you thinking, or anything else you want to discuss outside the questions, as long as it is in the current chapter set.

I have noticed how many people have been reading along with the discussion, which is fantastic.
Thanks Gertie that makes it easier for me. I will try to take part next time.
 
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