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Internet search doesn't throw up any negatives, but there are a number of features that give me concern.

1) Glowing testimonials you can't verify.

2) They list a host of "optional extras" to assist you with your entry without indicating the cost.

3) You have to pay a subscription before they'll let you see the entry requirements.

What do we think?
 

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Internet search doesn't throw up any negatives, but there are a number of features that give me concern.

1) Glowing testimonials you can't verify.

2) They list a host of "optional extras" to assist you with your entry without indicating the cost.

3) You have to pay a subscription before they'll let you see the entry requirements.

What do we think?
The Alliance of Independent Authors rates them as mixed: "Contests which are mostly positive, but present some issues of minor concern." And list fees at £20 – £30
Author Awards and Contests Rated and Reviewed by ALLi Watchdog Desk

Can't find them listed by Writer Beware
CONTESTS AND AWARDS - SFWA

Bookmark those two sites and use them whenever you come across a contest.
 

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The Alliance of Independent Authors rates them as mixed: "Contests which are mostly positive, but present some issues of minor concern." And list fees at £20 – £30
Author Awards and Contests Rated and Reviewed by ALLi Watchdog Desk

Can't find them listed by Writer Beware
CONTESTS AND AWARDS - SFWA

Bookmark those two sites and use them whenever you come across a contest.
I checked those sources, and neither were very informative nor addressed the issues I mentioned.
 

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If they want subscription money before they'll reveal their secrets, I wouldn't touch it with the proverbial barge pole.
This is what I thought. It all sounds a bit fishy to me, but the internet is ambivalent. Here's one site that seems to recommend them.

Writing Competitions - Creative Writing Ink UK

I did think of messaging them to see their reaction to the "pay-a-subscription-before-we'll-tell-you-the-submission-guidelines thing as well as their unpriced optional extras and give them an opportunity to defend themselves. Maybe they're simply a genuine outfit with a rubbish business model.
 

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"Dear Page Turner Awards

"There appear to be certain questionable aspects of your awards program. These are currently under discussion on Kindleboards.

"Page Turner Awards - Scam or not?

"Areas of concern appear to be -
No Cash Prizes.
Requirement to pay a "subscription" before seeing submission guidelines.
Unverifiable "success stories"
The program seems to be a vehicle for selling a slew of unpriced "optional extras" to assist entry.

"In the interests of fairness, I feel your organisation should be given an opportunity to respond, should you wish. Hence I am providing you with the link."
 

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I have an open mind.

For their script competitions, they now say you can enter a book rather than a script as they can appreciate not all authors can write scripts. Obviously they are not getting enough submissions at 25 pounds per submission. Doesn't make sense really, other than they say, if you were chosen, the producer would have the script written if taken up. What I'm not sure bout is if the author would bear the cost?

For any competition run as a business, there is a cost involved for the submission to pay the people who have to read the submissions and judge the entries. I doubt it would be done for love.

From my understanding, it is not as much a scam as a business that also provides services, and while not all entrants would need this, these services are an important part of their business which the competitions provide leads for them to sell their services..

Page Turner Awards have posted on kindleboards recently for their script competition, so one of them is a member,. Perhaps they might respond to this thread.

Of concern to me is that Turner Awards has been established for many years for those born in Britain that the public can nominate. I don't know if Page Turner awards has a connection to Turner Awards or if this is a clever use of words to align it with this old established award.

Note: some of the entrants with testimonials on the site do have links to facebook, twitter, and their websites. One I looked at was a multi-genre author and finalist, so some of the testimonials can be checked out,

Really, I think there is enough information on the internet on this enterprise for author to make up their own conclusions without jumping to conclusions and calling it a scam. Some might consider the services a benefit.

Why I started Page Turner Awards
 
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Internet search doesn't throw up any negatives, but there are a number of features that give me concern.

1) Glowing testimonials you can't verify.

2) They list a host of "optional extras" to assist you with your entry without indicating the cost.

3) You have to pay a subscription before they'll let you see the entry requirements.

What do we think?

Hi there, I’m Paula, the founder of Page Turner Awards. I wasn’t aware of this conversation until one kind writer thought I should hear about it.

The reason we have no cash prizes in our Writing Award - because we have invited literary agent and publisher judges who may offer publishing contracts to any writers they like. The same goes for our Screenplay Award, where film producers will offer a book adaptation film option to any story they like. To me, as an author and writer, these career building prizes are of greater value than a cash prize because they could help a writer get their work discovered.

The 'unverifiable success stories' show the actual writers’ images, their profiles and their stories, so I'm not sure why someone would say these are unverifiable - I'm not sure what more we can do to verify that those people actually won those prizes. We also have a video link on our 2020 Winners page to show the day that these writers won the prizes and showing these people in person. So again, they are verified - in person on the video link. It was a one-and-a-half-hour awards ceremony with judges giving their story on why they chose those writers. I would have thought this would be enough to verify that these writers won the prizes they received. Two literary agents spoke at the ceremony saying why they had offered their chosen writer a literary agency representation. To me that verifies the winner and the agent.

We also handed out lots of useful software prizes to help writers in their writing journey, including two ProWritingAid lifetime licences.

We don't ask for a 'subscription' payment (ie ongoing month after month or year after year). However, we do ask for a payment for entering a submission which is an entry to the awards where the writer can choose which award category they want to enter.

All our judges are real people involved in the literary world and any writer can see their profile on the site plus their own websites and social links - all this is visible for any writer to check out.

The optional extras are not 'unpriced' as mentioned in this conversation. They are priced at different levels according to the prices that the literary experts charge for the different feedback. These are all 'optional' so a writer does not need to take one of them in order to enter. They are optional for the very reason that some writers may need them, but other writers won't.

As a writer and author myself, you have my word - we are not a scam. We are not trying to trick writers or misrepresent in any way. I realize that not everyone may like our site or the opportunities we are offering writers and everyone has the right to their own opinion, but I would hope that writers will look deeper before accusing Page Turner Awards of being a scam. Hopefully, any writer reading this will check out the links on our site and see the opportunities I have created for writers and that the testimonials are from real life writers who can easily be contacted to ask if they really did writer their testimonial.

I’ve noted these remarks and will work hard in the future to ensure Page Turner Awards is seen as credible and useful to authors and writers. Not only that, I set these awards up because I couldn’t find such an award program to enter my own work. To verify me as a writer and author - I write under the name of Paula Wynne. I won the People's Book Prize in 2017 where Sir Frederick Forsyth handed me my prize. That was the moment that inspired me to create Page Turner Awards to give authors and writers the same kind of inspiring experience I had!

I'm more than happy to answer any questions.
Regards
Paula
Regards
Paula

Paula Sheridan
Page Turner Awards
 

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Hi there, I’m Paula, the founder of Page Turner Awards. I wasn’t aware of this conversation until one kind writer thought I should hear about it.

The reason we have no cash prizes in our Writing Award - because we have invited literary agent and publisher judges who may offer publishing contracts to any writers they like. The same goes for our Screenplay Award, where film producers will offer a book adaptation film option to any story they like. To me, as an author and writer, these career building prizes are of greater value than a cash prize because they could help a writer get their work discovered.

The 'unverifiable success stories' show the actual writers’ images, their profiles and their stories, so I'm not sure why someone would say these are unverifiable - I'm not sure what more we can do to verify that those people actually won those prizes. We also have a video link on our 2020 Winners page to show the day that these writers won the prizes and showing these people in person. So again, they are verified - in person on the video link. It was a one-and-a-half-hour awards ceremony with judges giving their story on why they chose those writers. I would have thought this would be enough to verify that these writers won the prizes they received. Two literary agents spoke at the ceremony saying why they had offered their chosen writer a literary agency representation. To me that verifies the winner and the agent.

We also handed out lots of useful software prizes to help writers in their writing journey, including two ProWritingAid lifetime licences.

We don't ask for a 'subscription' payment (ie ongoing month after month or year after year). However, we do ask for a payment for entering a submission which is an entry to the awards where the writer can choose which award category they want to enter.

All our judges are real people involved in the literary world and any writer can see their profile on the site plus their own websites and social links - all this is visible for any writer to check out.

The optional extras are not 'unpriced' as mentioned in this conversation. They are priced at different levels according to the prices that the literary experts charge for the different feedback. These are all 'optional' so a writer does not need to take one of them in order to enter. They are optional for the very reason that some writers may need them, but other writers won't.

As a writer and author myself, you have my word - we are not a scam. We are not trying to trick writers or misrepresent in any way. I realize that not everyone may like our site or the opportunities we are offering writers and everyone has the right to their own opinion, but I would hope that writers will look deeper before accusing Page Turner Awards of being a scam. Hopefully, any writer reading this will check out the links on our site and see the opportunities I have created for writers and that the testimonials are from real life writers who can easily be contacted to ask if they really did writer their testimonial.

I’ve noted these remarks and will work hard in the future to ensure Page Turner Awards is seen as credible and useful to authors and writers. Not only that, I set these awards up because I couldn’t find such an award program to enter my own work. To verify me as a writer and author - I write under the name of Paula Wynne. I won the People's Book Prize in 2017 where Sir Frederick Forsyth handed me my prize. That was the moment that inspired me to create Page Turner Awards to give authors and writers the same kind of inspiring experience I had!

I'm more than happy to answer any questions.
Regards
Paula
Regards
Paula

Paula Sheridan
Page Turner Awards
Hi Paula

Thanks for engaging here.

Your comment about offering prizes "in kind" is noted, though it occurs to me that a successful author has no idea what they might be getting - a product that may or may not be useful to them or a contract that may or may not be advantageous - so it could be viewed as a bit of a "pig in a poke".

The "success stories" are taken right off your home page.

"2020 Success Stories Included:
Three writers won a literary agency representation.
Another four had their full manuscript requested by literary agents, which hopefully will lead to agency representation
Five writers won a writing mentorship.
Five writers won a publishing contract and audiobook production
Two published authors won an audiobook production
Thirteen Indie Authors won a publishing contract and audiobook production
Two Indie Authors won highly valuable publicity campaigns
Wow, all this in Page Turner Awards inaugural awards!"


There are no names, so they are not immediately verifiable.

The sign up method also seems decidedly odd. Apparently, you have to purchase a membership package before you can see the entry conditions and requirements! Perhaps I have misunderstood, and if so, I stand ready to be corrected, but if it's true, then I have never encountered anything like it in any awards program.

"Award Membership Packages

These Award Membership Packages cover all the award categories.

Bronze Membership Package ~ For ONE Award Submission


  • One Entry Submission
  • Entry Price for March, April, May: £30
Silver Membership Package ~ For TWO Award Submissions

  • Two Entry Submissions to any two different award categories, or two submissions into the same award category.
  • Viral Sharing for two different award categories
  • Reader Feedback for two different award categories
  • Viral Sharing via Twitter and Facebook
  • Reader Feedback Comments Box on both submissions
  • Special Price for March, April, May: £65 (normal price is (£85)
Gold Membership Package ~ For Up To FIVE Award Submissions

  • Five Entry Submissions to five different award categories, or five submissions into the same award category.
  • Viral Sharing for five different award categories
  • Viral Sharing via Twitter and Facebook
  • Reader Feedback for five different award categories
  • Reader Feedback Comments Box on all five submissions
  • Special Price for March, April, May: £95 (normal price is £165)
Platinum Membership Package ~ For Up To FIFTEEN Award Submissions

  • Fifteen Entry Submissions to five different award categories, or fifteen submissions into the same award category.
  • Viral Sharing for fifteen different award categories
  • Viral Sharing via Twitter and Facebook
  • Reader Feedback for fifteen different award categories
  • Reader Feedback Comments Box on all fifteen submissions
  • Special Price for March, April, May: £155 (normal price is £265)
Make Your Payment


The optional extra's are priced, I am sure, but the prices aren't stated. Presumably you only discover that when you've paid for your membership?


"Optional Extras List:

Once again it seems to be, "pay us a membership fee and we'll show you what we have to offer." Whilst you may not be trying to create such an impression, the sad truth is that this is exactly how some scam sites operate.

Accepting at face value your statement that you are not a scam and that you have the best interests of writers at heart, would it not make more sense to be up front as regards conditions and requirements of entry and the prices of any optional extras you are offering so that you are completely transparent as regards what the writer might be getting themselves into?
 

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Seems there's no further reply from PTA on these issues. I guess we can draw our own conclusions.
 
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