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Hey there,

Since some folks here are very eager to lose weight, but don't want to have their thread hijacked by talk of general health, I thought it'd be nice to have a thread just for the guys who want to improve their health by other means than just excercise and calorie control. If anyone has good tips, please let me know!  :D

To break the ice, my first tip is drinking fresh juice. As in, use a juicer and real fruit to squeeze it out. I drink a small cup of orange juice every morning after I get up (200ml), and one in the evening, usually diluted with a bit of water. If I feel under the weather but not unwell enough to have no appetite, I'll buy an extra juice when I'm at work to get even more vitamins into my system. So far it's worked, I haven't been to my doctor in a year for common ailments.  :)

But what's even better, you can get an unholy amount of veggies and fruit down. I'd never be able to eat three carrots, two apples and two stalks of celerie plus a full lunch, or two oranges on top of my usual dinner. Drinking them down is way easier, and tastier too, imho  ;D

Does anybody here own a juicer and uses it regularly? Or frequent juice bars? What are your experiences?
 

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Romana, I think I read somewhere that eating fruits whole is even better than juicing them, so I usually eat them freshly cut. I love eating sliced fruit with yogurt and honey a lot, the more colorful the better, and sometimes with homemade granola  :)  It's easier to maintain a healthy diet when you genuinely enjoy healthy food.
 

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and I believe all things are good in moderation.  A piece of bread?  Yes.  A pat of butter?  Please. . .just not the whole loaf or stick.  If I bite it, I write it and I calculate calories in everything I eat.  If the item is worth the calorie, it's mine.  Sometimes, that is a cookie, sometimes it's croutons on the salad.  Has been working for me since September and I'm down about 30 pounds without eliminating anything.

That is not to say that a diet void of sugar or wheat doesn't work - it just doesn't work for me.  My daughter in law is a Registered Dietician getting her Phd. and believes unless there is a specific disease requiring it, all food it good.  Ironically, she syas the biggest culprit are patients who believe fruit juice is a diet drink. (I mean lots of it - not the 6 oz here or there).

That being said, I have a juicer and love it.  Favorite apple/carrot/ginger.
 

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Aya, usually you'd be right, because of the fiber, but I'm eating completely plant-based, so that's thankfully not a problem for me. I also am a little sugar-sensitive and have to be careful, hence the diluting of my juices.  :) Still, I'd never get so many extra veggies down if I didn't juice them.

Judi, yes, that's got to be the most drunk juice on the planet. Love it, too! I hope I don't offend if I kindly disagree with your daughter when I say that juice can be a wonderful diet drink IF it is made fresh, and perhaps used instead of a meal, like breakfast or dinner. If it's veggie juice it doesn't even have so very many calories, but tons of vitamins and minerals. There are people who do juice f(e)asts for a month or longer, only "eating" juice and being fit as a fiddle while doing it. Youtube is awesome if one wants to see testimonials ;) (And of course I'm aware that drinking it like some people down coke or diet coke wouldn't be a good thing, but still a thousand times better than soda ... at least this sugar comes with proper nutrients, even if it's too much, right? ^_^)

Jerri, I haven't gotten around to reading it, but I will! Right now, I'm semi-gluten free. I eat normal bread when I'm out, but at home I usually have gluten free bread for sandwiches or baked toast. Somewhere I read that gluten messes with the colon and our nutrient intake, much like meat and dairy. If it's true that the gluten content of wheat is as high as 50% today compared to only 5% in the 50ies, then it's no wonder so many people have a problem with it.
 

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I suffer from migraine associated vertigo so there are lots of foods I can't eat, such as cheese (any dairy for me really, it's one of my main triggers), chocoloate, caffeine (never liked coffee or cola anyway, LOL!) MSG, artificial sweetners/additives, citrus (I miss oranges), bananas, pineapples, mangoes, mushrooms, soya and a whole lot of other stuff, but I'm fine with wheat, even had a blood test to make sure I wasn't sensitive to it. If I didn't have the wheat and vegetables, I'm not sure what I would be able to eat, LOL! I have lean meat for one meal of the day as I need the protein and can't have cheese etc. instead.

I make lots of meals fresh (never add salt to anything), invested in a breadmaker so I can have bread without soya (nearly every shop bought loaft has soya in it!) and an ice-cream maker so I can make non-dairy ice-cream. I use coconut milk and oatly cream. Tried rice dream but it was far too sweet and had lots of additives to, so never went for that one again. Everyone is different, so you have to do what's best for you, not necessarily what a book says. Everything in moderation should be fine.

Take care,
Annette
 

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Annette, oh dear, that sounds unpleasant :( I feel for you, but good on you for ditching the dairy (it's one of the worst allergens known to mankind anyway). If I find the link to an essay from a renowned professor tonight, I'll post it here. It's very interesting why he thinks milk, especially cow milk, isn't good for humans. Until then I highly recommend the page www.notmilk.com - very insightful, with some reports about known people, like one of the Ben & Jerry guys, and their plights.

If you want more protein and maybe don't feel like eating meat, you can always eat more legumes. That's what I do if I crave something more substantial than potatoes or rice with veggies. For lunch, I had a thick lentil stew, a large hash brown, cooked red beet and salad. Very delicious and filling, and the best is that I don't have to count calories. Never. *g*

On a side note, I love, love, love So Delicious coconut ice cream bars with almonds. It's sooo yummy, and so hard to find where I live! I don't have an ice cream maker, but would you be so kind and share your recipe anyway? Pretty please? It's one of the few sweet treats I actually like to eat.  :D
 

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Right, lets see if I can remember the ice-cream recipe. If you don't have an ice-cream maker, I suppose you can just put this in the freezer until it freezes? I'm not sure :)

This is just for a plain coconut flavour ice-cream
Coconut milk half a cup
Oatly cream half a cup
dessicated coconut 1-2 teaspoons.
(I didn't add sugar, but I suppose you can add that or honey if you wanted it to taste a bit sweeter)

My ice-cream maker booklet says to put all ingredients on a pot and bring to a gentle simmer and let them cool, but I just added everything cold (without simmering) to the ice-cream maker and it was delicious.

So I'd suggest mixing by hand and then adding the mix to a freezer bowl. No idea how long it would take to freeze, probably at least an hour?

If you can eat chocolate, just add some cocoa instead of dessicated coconut for chocolate flavour ice-cream.

Take care,

Annette
 

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I cut wheat (almost) entirely out of my diet this year and I can't believe how good I feel!  I am a very skeptical person and don't tend to get interested in health trends like this one, but my niece and nephew were having strange skin issues, and my sister and the kids' doctors couldn't figure out how to clear them up.  Just to see if it would have any effect, she took them off wheat for a couple of months and everything cleared up.  She's pretty skeptical like me, so she then tried putting them back on it, and back the skin troubles came!  I figured, maybe my obnoxious adult acne is wheat-related, if their skin troubles were wheat-related.  So I gave it a whirl, and my skin did indeed clear up, but I am sleeping better, dealing with stress better, and generally feeling extremely awesome.  Who knew?

Anyway, in 2014 my goal is to hike the Wonderland Trail (93 miles around Mt. Rainier, for those who don't know) and in 2015 thru-hike the PCT.  So this year I'm concentrating on doing a lot of day hikes and one-night packing trips with weight, so I can really get in excellent trail condition for my big adventures.  :)  You don't have to twist my arm too hard to get me to hike or camp, so this will be the best health-improvement year ever!
 

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Wow, that's really super interesting! I can't wait to read the book. The German version will be out on January 21, so it's only two weeks of waiting. In the meantime I'll have a peek at the Look Inside feature and hope that it won't be too well written ... otherwise even a measly two weeks will be awful  :D

Maybe I should give this gluten free diet a go as well. There are so many women who have skin troubles, me and several girlfriends included. It'd be so nice to have really clear skin for a change! I head many good things about cutting out wheat ... but what about rye, or spelt? Is it something in the wheat itself, because these grains have gluten too, don't they?  :-\ How long did it take for the skin to heal?
 

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Romana Grimm said:
Judi, yes, that's got to be the most drunk juice on the planet. Love it, too! I hope I don't offend if I kindly disagree with your daughter when I say that juice can be a wonderful diet drink IF it is made fresh, and perhaps used instead of a meal, like breakfast or dinner. If it's veggie juice it doesn't even have so very many calories, but tons of vitamins and minerals. There are people who do juice f(e)asts for a month or longer, only "eating" juice and being fit as a fiddle while doing it. Youtube is awesome if one wants to see testimonials ;) (And of course I'm aware that drinking it like some people down coke or diet coke wouldn't be a good thing, but still a thousand times better than soda ... at least this sugar comes with proper nutrients, even if it's too much, right? ^_^)
She doesn't mean fresh juices. . .the most obese patients often consume LOTS of fruit juice in place of a snack believing it won't add on pounds. I mean juices like a gallon cranberry juice in a day. NOT careful consumption from fresh produce. :)
 

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Ah, alright, that's really way too much. And she probably meant cartoned juice, too. That stuff really isn't much better than soda, is it? I hate that stuff ... slowly but surely I'm becoming a food snob!  :eek:
 
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