Here ya go, folks.
Harvey, Betsy--Is this ok?
Harvey, Betsy--Is this ok?
*rips Betsy's damned turkey-wattle throat out with his bare teeth*Betsy the Quilter said:The title is certainly unambiguous enough...enter at your own risk.
Now, everyone, just remember the other parts of Harvey's guidelines including respect for others' opinions and no name calling. No blood....
Very well expressed... and I do not see how anyone can find that offensive. It is obvious, to me anyway, that you have a deep respexct for those who serve, you just have issues with the higher ups that tell them where and how to serve.Bacardi Jim said:This bears reposting here. I posted it originally in the "Politics and Religion" thread:
I'd be perfectly proud to see the comments I made on the front page of the Wall Street Journal. I do not regret them one iota.
As I said many, many times (including in this thread before I deleted it) I greatly respect the service of our men and women in uniform. But any time Country A invades Country B to force its own form of government and societal mores on the unwilling people of Country B, it is wrong to kid ourselves and think that this represents "freedom." It doesn't matter of the soldiers of Country A are wearing German grey or American OD--it amounts to the same thing. It isn't any more "just" just because we're the ones doing it this time. As I also have said repeatedly, the soldiers aren't at fault--they are doing their best to do what is asked of them. The fault lies with the policy-makers who can't see that they have turned America into everything the soldiers who fought in the two World Wars were trying to prevent.
I'm sorry that people were hurt and offended. I'm sorry that they can't see the difference between my deep respect for American GI's and my disgust for the men in power who are getting them killed for what I consider immoral (or maybe amoral) reasons. But I am not sorry for anything I said--merely that I said it in an inappropriate place.
LR can (and maybe will) attest to how deep my patriotism runs. But part of being a patriot is to be ever vigilant and question your government when it goes astray. Ours has. And yes, to blindly agree with what we're doing in Iraq is every bit as bad as what happened amongst the German populace when Hitler invaded Poland.
I am sad to hear that some have left the boards becuse of you exprressing your views... especially cine you have, at least in my reading of your posts, been very respectful in expressing them. You have made it clear that you do greatly resopect those who serve - that it is the mission and those in power you have issues with. I see nothing wrong wioth that, nor do i see how anyone else could have an issue (agree or disagree with your views, you have been very respectful and thoughtful when stating them).Bacardi Jim said:Thank you, TM. Believe it or not, at least one (and possibly more) person has left Kindleboards because of my expressing the view that the soldiers in Iraq aren't fighting for anyone's "freedom," and that those who think they are have an entirely different definition of the word "freedom" than I do. To my mind, democracy forced on people at gunpoint isn't "freedom." It's just the opposite--"tyranny" dressed up in a pretty box.
Apparently, this view offends some people. I can't help that. And I won't apologize for it.
TM said:I am sad to hear that some have left the boards becuse of you exprressing your views... especially cine you have, at least in my reading of your posts, been very respectful in expressing them. You have made it clear that you do greatly resopect those who serve - that it is the mission and those in power you have issues with. I see nothing wrong wioth that, nor do i see how anyone else could have an issue (agree or disagree with your views, you have been very respectful and thoughtful when stating them).
Part of freedom is allowing all the voices, even those one disagrees with - especially those disgaree with. The voice of discent is very, very important... Respectful, decent conversations between opposing viewpoints/thoughts lead to better understanding on both sides.
Jim, I find your comment offensive.Bacardi Jim said:Sailor: One more time--THEY ARE NOT RISKING THEIR LIVES FOR THE "FREEDOM" OF OTHERS!!!!! Just the opposite--They are risking their lives to force our way of doing things on a people who don't want or need it. They are, in fact, risking their lives to SUBJUGATE others to the "American" way of thinking.
If I have to thank them, then I also have to thank the Nazi soldiers on the line for doing exactly the same thing.
Bacardi Jim said:There's a first.
I have no idea why you'd think that I get offended by every third post you make. Perhaps I have teased you too may times. If so I apologize.Bacardi Jim said:As to my "There's a first" comment, it was merely a reference to the fact that you seem to get offended by every third post I make. I thought that was clear.
Why you said what you said has nothing whatsoever to do with that fact that I was offended. In my opinion, to call someone a Nazi is an insult and a slur.Bacardi Jim said:You seem to also fail to grasp how deeply offended I was at being repeatedly told I should "thank" the soldiers in Iraq for "fighting for other people's freedom."