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Author Beware: My ACX Nightmare with Amazon

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#1 ·
Note: To authors finding this topic, I have outlined pretty much 100% of the details of my situation on the first three pages of this thread and I do not have any additional information, tips, or advice to give concerning ACX. I beg you, do not PM me here, on Facebook, or through my website contact form to ask for details because I will no longer be responding to them. I want to keep this thread alive, but I do not want to be forced into anonymity, so, please, do not contact me concerning this thread or ACX. Thank you. - GD


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This isn't a question or a bragging point, just an FYI to keep you good folks in the loop in case it happens to you. I have 10 audiobooks currently with ACX, and have used the promo codes with services like Audiobook Boom to get some exposure as well as sending out codes to members of my mailing list.

Last year November after finishing up an audiobook, I get an email from Amazon, tagging ACX (Note: the email address was: ACX_do_not_reply@amazon.com):

Your ACX account and related ACX titles have been flagged due to unusual activity. We have confirmed fraudulent use of the promotional codes for your ACX audiobooks. While we support the legitimate efforts of our users to promote their audiobooks, attempting to manipulate the ACX platform and/or ACX programs is not permitted.

Please know that you are responsible for making sure that you observe ACX's guidelines (http://audible-acx.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/8887 ). You must confirm that you will no longer abuse promotional codes by replying to this email at info@acx.com to confirm your receipt. Failure to reply within five business days will result in restrictions against your account, up to and including termination.
So I immediately respond, and get this from ACX (LOL):

I am sorry to learn about fraudulent activity with the promo codes you were sent. When I reviewed your account in our system, I found no such information. The last email that was sent to you from ACX, was on 10/31/18, letting you know that we were unable to provide you with an additional set of promo codes but provided links to help market your audiobook title.
(Note: so obviously Amazon and ACX aren't communicating, but stupid me, I assumed the best from that email.)

Fast-forward to this year and ACX's change in promo codes, which now allows you to get them a la carte through the dashboard along with the system keeping track of them. ACX emailed me about the change, and I am like, "great, I can share some codes with the mailing list again." Then I go looking for that promo tab on my dashboard, and voila, it isn't there :( . So ... me, still unaware of what I now call my shadow-ban, called ACX to ask about the status of my account. The CSR was very nice and helpful (they always are), but ended up putting me on several holds before citing IT as the issue. I work in IT, so I know this blow-off well, but I played the game and asked him to email me regardless. Here's the response:

My name is (snip) and I'm the ACX lead that you are currently speaking to over the phone via live assistance. At this time, I've gone ahead and submitted the screen-shots that you provided us to our Web Developers to further investigate. As soon as this issue is rectified we will notify you. We appreciate you being so patient with us. You will hear from us shortly.
Okay... they're looking into it, I can relax. Nope! Two months later and more emails telling me that the "tech team" is looking into it, and I come to the conclusion that I am screwed. The head is not talking to the tail, and there are 1000 examples on this very board as to Amazon's horrible customer service when it comes to producers. I decided to force a real response, so I write a terse email asking for them to escalate my issue and stop lying about my account. I expected more flowery words and inaction, but instead I get this:

Thank you for contacting ACX!

I understand you'd like to know the status of your recent query about the promo codes button not showing in your account.

The delay is due to our internal teams reviewing your ACX activity to ensure compliance with our content guidelines and terms of use. Until this work is completed all submitted titles will remain on hold, and will not be made available for sale nor promo codes. While we hope our internal teams complete this investigation soon, as you can tell from the wait thus far, we cannot guarantee it. In the meantime we ask that you do not post more titles to the ACX Marketplace, or submit titles through our DIY channel.

We certainly appreciate your patience while we work toward resolution of this matter. We will follow up with you when we have an update.
How is this okay, kboards? How is this okay?

What bothers me is that due to them misleading me for months, I have three audiobooks being worked on at the moment within their flawed system. Now that I've been made aware, I will pay the producers and get the hell off that ship with my audio, because according to this quote, they don't plan to allow me to sell them until their non-investigation is concluded: "all submitted titles will remain on hold, and will not be made available for sale nor promo codes."

While I can (and will) take my future audio to another company to publish, the blindside and serious lack of f---s from ACX has me seeing red right now.

Has anyone else dealt with something like this dealing with ACX? I am genuinely curious if anyone has managed to resolve their account once it has been flagged.
 
#145 ·
MMSN said:
Findaway is now warning that it is taking ACX 45 days to process a submission. I have one going on a fifteen days wait now.
That's right. I phoned them and the lady told me its taking upward of 30 BUSINESS days that a book can be in audible review vs the 10 to 14 business days.

I was beginning to panic and thought my account had been flagged but was relieved to hear that, even though i wish they were pushing them out quicker.
 
#141 ·
Fingers we eventually get something :mad:
SusanMayWriter said:
Well, that's something. I got one of those back in late November. Not the exact words but investigating was what they said. Despite emailing about five times asking what's happening, they ignore me.

I'll keep writing every week from now & see what happens.

I see in the Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/ that the scammers are just continuing on happily unhindered. There must be so many rubbish books on Audible now from the scammers. Just beyond a joke too that they have their fingers in our pot & get our codes taken because of their dishonestly. So there is less $$ to go around to legitimate authors.

And for anyone who wants to tell me the scammers just have a different business model, do your research. Nobody listens to these books. They are "read" by people paid to hit download & hit play.

If I ever hear back from woeful ACX, I'll report back too.
 
#140 ·
Aaronhodges said:
Whelp finally an update from acx, kind of. They didn't get my name right 😂

Hello Vidya,

I am responding to your escalation on Jeff and Don's behalf. I wanted to inform you that we are looking into your request and will get back to you with our findings as soon as possible.

In the event you need help with anything else, feel free to contact us. Replay to this email directly exec-relations@audible.com

Best regards,
Muriel G.
Well, that's something. I got one of those back in late November. Not the exact words but investigating was what they said. Despite emailing about five times asking what's happening, they ignore me.

I'll keep writing every week from now & see what happens.

I see in the Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACXNarratorsProducers/ that the scammers are just continuing on happily unhindered. There must be so many rubbish books on Audible now from the scammers. Just beyond a joke too that they have their fingers in our pot & get our codes taken because of their dishonestly. So there is less $$ to go around to legitimate authors.

And for anyone who wants to tell me the scammers just have a different business model, do your research. Nobody listens to these books. They are "read" by people paid to hit download & hit play.

If I ever hear back from woeful ACX, I'll report back too.
 
#139 ·
Whelp finally an update from acx, kind of. They didn't get my name right 😂


Hello Vidya,

I am responding to your escalation on Jeff and Don's behalf. I wanted to inform you that we are looking into your request and will get back to you with our findings as soon as possible.

In the event you need help with anything else, feel free to contact us. Replay to this email directly exec-relations@audible.com

Best regards,
Muriel G.
 
#138 ·
Okay guys, so I am currently mailing with Audible Germany, where you can also publish without ACX. You need 5 audiobooks upfront to be eligible to publish with them.

I now wanted to take the audiobooks that are currently banned on ACX and put them directly into Audible Publishing.

Does anybody know how it is with the rights of distribution? As soon as you upload a project or submit it through ACX... do they have part of the rights? Or is it possible for you to publish it on Audible via another publisher? I guess since they are banned on ACX nontheless, that shouldn't be a problem, should it?
 
#135 ·
TwistedTales said:
@StRandomx.

That's an interesting reply. Is anyone getting "unbanned" right now? If they are, then it's a bottleneck in the review process and eventually every account will be checked and released (or at least decision will be made). If they're not, then it must be a legal type review where the decision will affect all accounts at once.

Such a strange situation.
I think so as well.... and as someone in this thread stated, their author gut unbanned after 3 months. I have no idea man.

But, can anyone tell me: do you think there is a possibility of ACX deciding that you won't receive money anymore? Like, delete your audiobooks from the platform and leaving you alone with the problem and without any of the income?

I rely on my ACX income veeeeery much. So it would absolutely hit me if anything went wrong ._.
 
#134 ·
Just received another answer from the amazing ACX support, which should prove that they practically ban everyone right now:

Greetings,

Thank you for contacting ACX!

I understand you'd like to know the status of your recent submissions which have been delayed.

The delay is due to our internal teams reviewing the Rights Holder's ACX activity to ensure compliance with our content guidelines and terms of use. Until this work is completed the titles associated with this Rights Holder will remain on hold, and will not be made available for sale. While we hope our internal teams complete this investigation soon, as you can tell from the wait thus far, we cannot guarantee it. In the meantime we ask that you do not audition for any more projects by this Rights Holder.

ACX would like to clarify that your account is not under review, and you are free to work on other projects.

We certainly appreciate your patience while we work toward resolution of this matter.

For any FAQs, please visit our Help Center here: https://audible-acx.custhelp.com

To review the ACX User Conduct and Content Acceptance Guidelines: https://audible-acx.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/8887

The ACX Account Holder Agreement: https://www.acx.com/help/account-holder-agreement/201481940

Sincerely,
The ACX Team
ACX.com
Original Message
Dear ACX-support,

could you please tell me if there is any possibility to know the status
of a current audiobook?

Should I just send you a link of the title or how can I know that? :)

Thanks a lot,

Patrick
 
#132 ·
StRandomX said:
But couldn't it be a bit counterproductive for a German to submit his audiobooks non-exclusively on audible? Because royalties will go further down, and as far as I know those other platform that findaway publishes in are not known in Germany?
Google Play isn't known in Germany? Kobo? And don't forget the library services like Bibliotheca, and OverDrive!

Here's a link to the complete list of distribution partners at Findaway: https://support.findawayvoices.com/portal/kb/articles/where-will-my-audiobook-be-for-sale

Audible/ACX/Amazon aren't the only fish in the Audiobook business...
 
#131 ·
Undercover Writer said:
I suggest this: sign up with Findaway Voices. They could certainly use you, and Findaway handles distribution of audiobooks. If the author doesn't want a book sold through ACX/Audible/Amazon, it isn't sold through those vendors. Findaway CAN post your audio to Apple, and doesn't rely on ACX for that distribution portal.
But couldn't it be a bit counterproductive for a German to submit his audiobooks non-exclusively on audible? Because royalties will go further down, and as far as I know those other platform that findaway publishes in are not known in Germany?
 
#129 ·
StRandomX said:
So guys, I checked this forum and thread several times already and decided to sign up as well and write this for you guys.

I have over 100 audiobooks produced as a narrator and currently am the best known narrator in Germany for self help books. We sell over 400 audiobooks per day.

Still, the ACX problem hit me in November.

I have worked with so many authors from across the globe, mostly from Germany and America.

Even my American Author got freezed now. They keep telling me that my Account was not under review, so I should feel free to produce further audiobooks. Well, thanks! Now I can get further work done for zero money and earnings.

Over 15 audiobooks are now on hold for me. Those are several thousand $$$ a month, just missing. It is the work from October until today, and whenever I message ACX, I of course get no answer back.

I find it interesting that EVERYBODY gets banned at the moment. Not just my own publishing account, but also those of everybody I know. Literally, I know just 1 person with a functioning ACX account... at least by now.

Even my American author got banned. I first thought that Germans got banned because they were not signed up properly, but what do I know. Everything worked out well so far.

So with the ban, do you guys think we will still receive all of our income along the way? I don't know why, but I'm afraid they will also freeze the income?

With 15 audiobooks on hold, I will not proceed with ACX. I will start a new business, even though I as a narrator who is known on German TV, cinema, radio and among the internet, love producing audiobooks. I guess there is a point when you need to let something die ;)

What I have learned so far: never give another company, person or whatever the power about your business. It is YOUR work, YOUR money that you put into it and YOUR business... but their platform. So we are f*cked nontheless ;)

Let me know what you guys think!
I suggest this: sign up with Findaway Voices. They could certainly use you, and Findaway handles distribution of audiobooks. If the author doesn't want a book sold through ACX/Audible/Amazon, it isn't sold through those vendors. Findaway CAN post your audio to Apple, and doesn't rely on ACX for that distribution portal.
 
#128 ·
So guys, I checked this forum and thread several times already and decided to sign up as well and write this for you guys.

I have over 100 audiobooks produced as a narrator and currently am the best known narrator in Germany for self help books. We sell over 400 audiobooks per day.

Still, the ACX problem hit me in November.

I have worked with so many authors from across the globe, mostly from Germany and America.

Even my American Author got freezed now. They keep telling me that my Account was not under review, so I should feel free to produce further audiobooks. Well, thanks! Now I can get further work done for zero money and earnings.

Over 15 audiobooks are now on hold for me. Those are several thousand $$$ a month, just missing. It is the work from October until today, and whenever I message ACX, I of course get no answer back.

I find it interesting that EVERYBODY gets banned at the moment. Not just my own publishing account, but also those of everybody I know. Literally, I know just 1 person with a functioning ACX account... at least by now.

Even my American author got banned. I first thought that Germans got banned because they were not signed up properly, but what do I know. Everything worked out well so far.

So with the ban, do you guys think we will still receive all of our income along the way? I don't know why, but I'm afraid they will also freeze the income?

With 15 audiobooks on hold, I will not proceed with ACX. I will start a new business, even though I as a narrator who is known on German TV, cinema, radio and among the internet, love producing audiobooks. I guess there is a point when you need to let something die ;)

What I have learned so far: never give another company, person or whatever the power about your business. It is YOUR work, YOUR money that you put into it and YOUR business... but their platform. So we are f*cked nontheless ;)

Let me know what you guys think!
 
#127 ·
starkllr said:
I suppose you could return the book later and get an Audible credit back to use on something else, but i don't know if that actually works or not.
No, they can't return the book and get another code. I asked Audible about it. Probably in the past they could with the old redemption way. I think a lot of audible customers though are using Audible as a library these days as my returns have really grown over the last six months. It's very annoying. A year to return an audible is quite unreasonable!

MMSN said:
As long as you give a code away, you are susceptible to the scammers. What happens is, Scammer hires someone cheap on Fiverr to create him an audiobook. Scammer puts "his" audiobook up on Audible, receives free promo codes. Scammer-author creates free-trial Audible accounts, redeems his promo codes with them. Audible pays Scammer-author in full for the redeemed promo codes.
This is increasingly growing. I'm a member of a Facebook group of mostly narrators and they are bombarded every day by spam identical messages asking if they'll narrate a three hour book for $25 an hour. They're told to talk slowly to ensure the book is over three hours. They don't care about the quality. Nobody is going to listen to them. Most of the time they say when they look at the book the editing is woeful and seems like it's written as a conversion from another language. Most narrators are wise to them being code farmers. They've known about code farming long before we did. It's been going on for awhile, which means for a long time these crooks have had their dirty fingers in the ACX shared pot too. Just like KU.

These messages target new narrators, which they can tell are new because whenever a profile is edited it comes up as new apparently. Thus wiser, experienced narrators receive the emails or messages as well, and they say the common factor is that they had just updated their profile.

Other thing, many of us aren't aware of is that your narrator also receives the same amount of codes whether it is 50:50 split or paid for completely. So a code farmer asks for their codes too and therefore they receive 200 codes to use. That is a lot of money returned for probably around $150 investment in a shonky three hour pirated or ghost written book.

It's been more than two months now since they took my codes. I gave out a lot of codes to my reviewers over the years. That might also have set off alarm bells because it's the same people I send codes to. However, if they checked their accounts they'd see they behave like real humans listening to books. I also just produced a couple of novellas back in July and October, so I think the fact that they were just over three hours long may have pinged me up as well. Although if they checked, they'd see I've had these books out for years and they are well reviewed.

They wrote to me and said they were investigating this back in November and were very friendly about it. Some guy from the Audible executive team wrote, but I've heard nothing since. I've written over and over again and they ignore me. It's so damn rude and wrong. Yet, they use my book in promotions for Audible because one of them that I market sells really well. I've sold more than five thousands audibles in the last twelve months, introduced hundreds of members through their bounty system and they do this?

If I'm a code farmer, how come they slap an 'Only available on Audible' sticker on the cover of my most popular audible (covering up a chunk of my nice cover), invite me into Prime reading across three countries now, over and over again and pay good money. Then the latest is a Kindle Deal in the UK in February. They are so enthusiastic in supporting a supposed code farmer, aren't they?

It really has flattened me, I can say that. I've spent a lot of money on my Audibles and it's been so disgusting to be treated this way and really hobbled my Audible business. I had a book in production at the time and two just released when this happened and I can't promote them. I'm setting up a business outside my author business to diversify my income. Yes, I could diversify where I load my books, but honestly I don't want to spend the extra time and if Audible or Amazon slam down my business because I'm caught up in something that would still impact even if I'm wide. Just my thought process.

All I can say, is keep writing to ACX if you've been affected and jeff@amazon.com. I intend to.
 
#126 ·
As long as you give a code away, you are susceptible to the scammers. What happens is, Scammer hires someone cheap on Fiverr to create him an audiobook. Scammer puts "his" audiobook up on Audible, receives free promo codes. Scammer-author creates free-trial Audible accounts, redeems his promo codes with them. Audible pays Scammer-author in full for the redeemed promo codes.

But Scammer has a problem. Amazon maintains algorithms that constantly prowl around looking for this sort of thing. So, to trick the algorithms into maybe not noticing him, he gets himself some "cover." This cover is that he gets ahold of legitimate Audible authors' promo codes, and redeems them in his scammy-accounts. He doesn't end up with any money for doing this, but the more legitimate redemptions his scammy-accounts have, the more likely a scammer-searching algorithm might not notice them. Until it does.

Scammer-author is spotted, and to deal quickly and cheaply with him, Audible simply tells ALL the Audible authors of ALL those promo codes redeemed in Scammer's scammy-accounts, "No more promo codes for you!" Fine. Problem solved. Scammer can't get (and cash in on) any more promo codes from his "audiobooks". Problem is though, the innocent authors' promo codes that Scammer used for cover are treated no differently that the Scammer's promo codes, hence the nastygram sent to LOTS of very astonished Audible authors. Amazon knows its net is sinking not just the scammers, but innocent authors used in the scam as well, but doesn't care.

Amazon is not going to use its time to figure out how an Author's codes got into a Scammer's hands. They did. That Author is now probably forever on that Scammer's list, indeed the Scammer has probably made even more attempts to get codes out of the Author. But they can't. Why? Because Amazon won't give that author any more codes.

The only solution as far as I can see, is for Amazon to change the system.

 
#125 ·
andzol said:
I read part of this thread and I have no idea how to use ACX promo codes properly.

A couple of questions still stuck into my mind:
- Could anyone use the promo codes to redeem books other than it was published with?
- How scammer exploit promo codes?
Before the change to the new promo code system last fell, you could redeem any audiobook with a promo code. You'd shop on Audible, add the audiobook to your cart, and then enter the code at the end to "pay" for it.

Now, the code is very specifically tied to the book. You don't go to the book's page and add it to your cart, you go to the promo code redemption page, enter your code, and then the book shows up in your cart and it's "paid" for with that code.

I suppose you could return the book later and get an Audible credit back to use on something else, but i don't know if that actually works or not.
 
#123 ·
MMSN said:
Susan-- ACX/Audible has put out a video where Senior Director Christina Harcar says she is responsible for trying new things, and if they don't work, making them go away. To me, this sounds like a Troubleshooter. You may want to SNAIL MAIL her a letter of your predicament.
Audible's address: 1 Washington Park, 16th Floor Newark, NJ 07102, Attn: Legal Department,Fax: 973.820. 0505
Thank you so much. I'll definitely look into that as another avenue.
 
#122 ·
Susan-- ACX/Audible has put out a video where Senior Director Christina Harcar says she is responsible for trying new things, and if they don't work, making them go away. To me, this sounds like a Troubleshooter. You may want to SNAIL MAIL her a letter of your predicament.
Audible's address: 1 Washington Park, 16th Floor Newark, NJ 07102, Attn: Legal Department,Fax: 973.820. 0505