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Clean Romances: How clean is clean?

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#1 ·
I am hoping to write my first clean contemporary romance. I read a lot of clean contemporary romances and there's a wide variation on what's considered clean.

For example: some books avoid any mention of sex altogether but others have sex behind closed doors.

A really interesting book I found was #Starstruck, which is a clean romance about a heroine who wants to remain celibate. There's no sex scenes, but there are some very steamy scenes.

For example, in one scene the heroine and hero are at a public beach. While wearing their bathing suits, they decide to put sunscreen on each other. This leads to a very steamy scene, but I guess it counts as clean, because they are still dressed (in bathing suits) and they are in public, so aren't doing anything inappropriate.

Here's an extract:
Chase Covington wanted me to put sunscreen on his back. His very beautiful, well-defined back. He sat down and leaned forward, giving me full access to his sun-kissed skin.

I sat there for too long, overwhelmed and freaking out about what he wanted me to do. It wasn't until he looked over his shoulder that I squeezed some sunscreen into my hand and tentatively applied it to his back. His skin felt warm under my fingertips.

It didn't help matters when he sighed with pleasure and said, "That feels good." His shoulders lowered slightly, and his head drooped, as if he was relaxing.

It gave me a sense of feminine power that I could touch him and make him feel that way. It emboldened my moves, and I spread my palms flat against his back as I rubbed lotion all over. I probably applied more than was necessary.

"My turn." His voice was low and seductive, and I had never been so aware of the blood pulsing through my veins. He stood up and held his hand out for the sunscreen bottle. Aware that I still had a shirt and shorts on, I did my best to take them off without making eye contact. He sat behind me on the blanket, and I had to fight the instinct to lean back against him.

It was like every sense was heightened. The sound of the squawking seagulls overhead, the rhythmic ocean waves lapping against the shore, the sun overhead warming me, the coconut scent from the sunscreen, the taste of salt on the breeze. They were all magnified in a way I'd never experienced before.

I heard him squeeze the bottle, and my whole body tensed, waiting for the touch of his hand. The shock of the cold lotion against my hot skin made me gasp. I pulled my knees up to my chest and wrapped my arms around them. I needed something to hold on to.

He rubbed sunscreen on my shoulders first. And he didn't quickly brush it on. He carefully massaged the lotion into every inch of exposed skin.

My unsteady breathing sounded harsh to my own ears; I hoped he hadn't noticed. I tried to calm down, but his fingertips made that impossible. It was as if he possessed magic and was using his hands to cast a spell on me.

Hot, tingling pinpricks arose in every place he touched as my heart pounded in triple time. I was glad I didn't have any pulse points in my back so he couldn't see how hard it was beating. A pulsating pressure started deep in the pit of my stomach and spread throughout my body.

His movements felt hypnotic, tender, and sensual. I alternated between wanting to collapse into a gooey Zoe puddle and turning around and attacking him.
Later on in the book, the hero and heroine have their first kiss.

Extract:
Forget the butterflies. He had unleashed the entire zoo.

"Kiss" felt like a poor description of the way he ravaged my mouth. I thought I understood what kissing should be like. I was seriously mistaken. Because no one had ever kissed me like this before. Not with this hot, hungry intensity. Not with this confidence, this surety, this level of skill. Like somebody would be grading him later on how well he kissed me, and he planned on getting an A.

And going for extra credit.

His lips glided over mine in a rhythmic frenzy that had me tilting against him, holding on for dear life. His insistent, wild, bruising kiss made me dizzy, and I concentrated on the taste of his mouth. The feel of his muscles underneath my hands. The sound of his labored breathing. The delicious heat from his body pressing against mine. The intoxicating, masculine scent of his expensive cologne.

The pleasure of it all flooded through me.

My hair came undone as he ran his unsteady fingers through it, tugging and soothing, those sensations balanced by the pressure of his firm lips moving on mine, igniting sparks with each touch. He devoured me, making my body shudder from all the waiting, all the pent-up frustration and denial he let go with his kiss.

I'd been right. I knew that if Chase burned, I'd be consumed. We were like two bonfires edging closer together, merging into one super fire, glowing hotter and brighter in the night.

He moved from my lips to nipping and pressing hot kisses against the side of my throat. I dug my fingers into his shoulders, trying to pull him closer, wanting this feeling to last for eternity.

Because this was more than just physical. The reason I'd never been kissed like this before was because I'd never had feelings like this for any man. My brain was too woozy to understand those emotions. I only knew I wanted to be near him and didn't want to lose him.

And I never wanted to stop kissing him.

"Zoe." His harsh whisper against my skin felt like a branding. I turned my head, intent on bringing his lips back to mine, but he pulled back slightly, just out of reach. I wanted to whimper in protest. It sounded like he said my name again, but I was having a hard time hearing. Because I didn't know which was louder: my desperate, shallow breathing or my thundering heart.
Again it's steamy, but I guess it counts as clean because most of the steamy parts come from how the characters are feeling, rather than what they are doing.

I'd love to know people's opinions: Do you consider these examples clean? Would they turn you off from reading or encourage you to read more?
 
#3 ·
Grace Hartford said:
I am hoping to write my first clean contemporary romance. I read a lot of clean contemporary romances and there's a wide variation on what's considered clean... I'd love to know people's opinions: Do you consider these examples clean? Would they turn you off from reading or encourage you to read more?
Hello, Grace. It looks like you are new to the board. Welcome and good luck with your project!

As a new-to-publishing writer, I don't have the weight of experience or success to back me, but I'll offer my opinions for what they're worth.

My chosen genre is contemporary erotic romance. I would not qualify the passages you've quoted as 'steamy' but rather as 'warm'. I'm not familiar with the hard limits of 'clean', but if this is an example of what is under that category, then I'd expect some level of warmth is acceptable. :)

I wonder if an explicitness rating system could ever be implemented to help readers - something similar to the MPAA for films.
 
#4 ·
I have a series of very clean, sweet, Christian romance novels that I wrote using Hallmark's guidelines for clean--one kiss at the end of the book. The rest is all about how the couple meets and falls in love. That's probably as clean as it gets! That series does well (for me--I'm a small fish.) It has great reviews. I think it's up to you how clean you want to be. Just make sure people can tell from your blurb what to expect from your books.
 
#9 ·
Clean romance runs the gamut from sterile (Hallmark's single kiss at the end) to full blown steam just no explicit sex. I think it's important to write what you feel most comfortable writing and make sure to communicate in the blurb what level of clean you used.

I tend to agree that the steamy clean like the provided snippets would make me expect a jump in the sack but just fade to black that part.
 
#10 ·
Welcome to the board, Grace.  :D

So, #Starstruck is my book. As to your question for how clean should clean be - it depends on the writer. Personally, I got tired of sweet romances where there was no attraction, no passion, no physicality of any kind because that wasn't true to me or my experience of falling in love. I think chemistry plays a big part in a romance. But my books are sweet/clean and wholesome (which is not a judgment on anyone else or their writing styles; that is simply the category Amazon uses and I use it so that readers are able to find me). I basically write steamier Hallmarks. The focus is on the relationship and the reader getting to know the characters and fall in love alongside them, but the characters are very attracted to one another.

I also don't have closed door or fade to black in my books for unmarried characters, either. I even sometimes get reviews from readers who say they enjoyed the story so much that they didn't mind the lack of sex.  ;D

I'm very careful in how I write kissing and attraction scenes. Because of a lot of physical responses are not available to me - stuff can't get hard or puckered or aroused. My heroes sometimes remove their shirts (gasp!). Tongues aren't mentioned (even if I do sometimes imply), there's no grinding or any other type of thing that would feel tame in a more mainstream romance. I have a line that I'm careful not to cross, but it's a self-imposed line. Your line might be different. You might be a hug on the last page of the book type of writer. Which is great! There's obviously an audience out there for it and for all types of sweet romances. Basically sweet romances have a large spectrum of what is/is not appropriate. Sweet romance typically means no explicit sex on the page and no cursing/swearing. How you define that and write it is up to you.

I also telegraph to the reader in the beginning of the book my heroes and heroines' personal standards and lines they've chosen for themselves. The heroine in this book, Zoe, is not religious. Neither is the heroine in the next book, Maisy. They've chosen abstinence for different reasons, and I wrote it that way because it is how I choose to write and because abstinence is becoming increasingly more frequent among Millennials and Gen Z. For entirely secular reasons. I also thought that given the famous heroes in the stories (movie star and pop star), it would have been unbelievable and completely disingenuous for sexuality not to be discussed and not to be brought up. In my current series (just finished book 2 in that one) the characters don't have sex because of outside forces; in my head none of these characters are virgins but they don't ever talk about it because it's not an issue they have to deal with in the confines of my book.

And for the poster who had to gag her way through my passages (thanks for that on a board that I often lurk on - it was fun to read!) I'm not trying to moralize. In fact, in book 3 in the series (#Awestruck) the hero is a famous NFL player who is a virgin waiting for marriage, the heroine is not (guess that destroys the whole virginal heroine/manwhore hero thing you think I must be doing). The virgin trope in romance is a popular one.

I've written books that I wanted to read, with my favorite things in them, and I sold eight books to Montlake Romance (Amazon Publishing) and four books to Kindle Press by myself, so I must not suck too badly. I acquired an agent last year and exciting things are happening for me in the future. I'm always open to going indie again because I love indie publishing (it's how I got started) and it's why I lurk here, just to see what's going on in the indie world.

One of the things I learned - you can't please everybody. I get reviews saying my books are juvenile because there's no sex and then I get reviews saying my books are so smutty and full of innuendo how do I sleep at night, etc. Your readers will find you. It is harder to do these days, but there are people out there who want to read the sweet romance you want to tell them. Good luck!
 
#11 ·
Yeah, way too steamy for clean, because there's A LOT of sexual tension.  Just because a romance does not have a sex scene does not mean it's Clean.  It's practically a subgenre and leans more to the moral side (can't think of the word right now, sorry).  If this was made into a movie, would you feel comfortable watching it with your pastor, your grandma, and your 5-year-old with you?  (Btw, yes, the answer is yes with the Hallmark movies.)  No profanity, no violence, no overt sexuality.  Just good, clean fun.  Rated G.
 
#13 ·
OMG, if you think my sunscreen scene is erotic, you've got some big surprises headed your way when you read an actual erotic romance. LOL

I wasn't preaching abstinence. You're assuming something that is simply untrue, just for the sake of arguing. I said my characters that I wrote about were reflective of these situations:

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-millennials-less-sex-20160802-snap-story.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/12/the-sex-recession/573949/

Abstinence is increasing among Millennials and Gen Z in rates that surprised those who conducted the studies. People aren't feeling the need to prove something or have sex just to have sex. They choose to wait for all sorts of reasons, and that should be respected. Just because it wasn't your experience doesn't mean that it's true for every other person in the same generation.

Want to know what another part of sex positivity is? The ability to choose not to have sex if you don't want to, and not to be shamed or mocked for making the decision to wait.

And I don't see why you feel the need to attack me or my books as if they somehow personally judge you or your life choices; that simply isn't true.

I'm going to back out of this thread because this is quickly devolving into something ridiculous.

For Grace - clean romance is romance without explicit sex or profanity on the page and there is a massive spectrum as to what is considered acceptable within the genre. For everyone else - if you don't like it, don't read it. Simple as that.
 
#19 ·
If you want to know more about clean romance listen to The writing gals podcast, it's on Youtube. (Link below). The authors on that podcast are all successful clean romance authors who write everything from Billionaire clean romance to YA clean romance.

I read more cleaner romance now. Personally I got a bit sick of the steamy romance where the guy is obsessed with having sex with the female and he talks about it from the first chapter until he gets her in bed.

I love Hallmark movies and books. I think it's good to have a variety of romance books to read that suit each readers tastes.

Most clean romance that I have read are more like a Hallmark movie, where there is passion and chemistry between the characters but no kissing until the end. They might touch because they dance together at a party or sit in a small horse drawn carriage or something like that. There could be lingering looks etc. Sex is never mentioned.

I have Sariah Wilsons book on my TBR list and I was attracted to her Lovestruck series because she had some great reviews on Goodreads from bloggers and readers I like. I even think the covers imply that you are going to get a hot hero but it is going to be Swoony rather than sexy.

I expect some light touching, strong emotions and lingering looks when I read an adult clean romance. I don't mind if the characters kiss a couple times in the book once they have spent some time together. Not tongues, grinding and heavy breathing but a light kiss.

I don't always like it when the kiss is saved for the very end. Maybe the characters can have a conversation about sex, why they are not ready or are celibate. It seems like a normal conversation that adults would have.

It reminds me of the series 'Hollywood heights' which was on Nick at nite, except a little more tame.

Writing gals -

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSBnYO8N1yItJ3WbLzNjsqQ