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Were I still playing in self-pub, I would likely continue to wave a red flag over this allegation. It very much reminds me of the plagiarism allegations levied at Cristiane Serruya in the romance genre a few years ago. I had a (very) minor hand in uncovering some of the evidence, ensuring the authors who'd had passages lifted were made aware, and otherwise spreading the word.

Nora Roberts (aka J.D. Robb) sued Cristiane, who is Brazilian, so that suit played out in Brazil. I don't know the outcome of the suit, but there was at least a media outcry at the time. For example:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/24/books/nora-roberts-plagiarism.html (behind a paywall)



I don't pretend to know UK law or Brazilian law around plagiarism -- and, often, even the nuances of US law elude me -- but it just takes someone with the clout of a Nora Roberts (or a Courtney Milan) to capture media attention. Maybe someone who's been following the Mark Dawson story and the allegations can put the bug in the ear of one of the well-known authors whose work was lifted (hey, free media attention!) and/or in that of an influential journalist or two...
 
There is a surprising lack of interest in this story. Containment or apathy?
Neither, I think. Instead it still very much comes across as personal grudge, because of how and where he is attacked, and who hasn't seen fit to take action. Those "plagiarisms" still are on the whole far, far less than what has been taking place in any of the prosecuted cases.

Unlike many here I've read a couple of Dawson's books, and they are so similar to the superstars of that subgenre, e.g. Lee Child or David Baldacci, that in all reality Lee Child would have much more of a case than anyone else. John Milton and Jack Reacher could be twin brothers. But that's what for people read Dawson and the many other thriller authors who emulate the Reacher stories.

It's what is taking place in practically all formulaic genres for years now. Readers want a riff off the same thing. My guess is that people do not see a reason to be offended, much as those authors finding a sentence or two in someone else's book, don't consider it much of an actionable offence.
 
Can only think that they feel Mark's books are not a threat to their sales. :rolleyes:
I suppose there indeed could be an ROI factor. If their own sales weren't much affected, you're right, it probably wouldn't be worth it. It costs a LOT to pursue a court case. Depending on the level of attorneys, it can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to sue someone, if not millions.
 
Neither, I think. Instead it still very much comes across as personal grudge, because of how and where he is attacked, and who hasn't seen fit to take action. Those "plagiarisms" still are on the whole far, far less than what has been taking place in any of the prosecuted cases.

Unlike many here I've read a couple of Dawson's books, and they are so similar to the superstars of that subgenre, e.g. Lee Child or David Baldacci, that in all reality Lee Child would have much more of a case than anyone else. John Milton and Jack Reacher could be twin brothers. But that's what for people read Dawson and the many other thriller authors who emulate the Reacher stories.

It's what is taking place in practically all formulaic genres for years now. Readers want a riff off the same thing. My guess is that people do not see a reason to be offended, much as those authors finding a sentence or two in someone else's book, don't consider it much of an actionable offence.
Perhaps you should read the allegations more closely.
 
I don't pretend to know UK law or Brazilian law around plagiarism -- and, often, even the nuances of US law elude me -- but it just takes someone with the clout of a Nora Roberts (or a Courtney Milan) to capture media attention. Maybe someone who's been following the Mark Dawson story and the allegations can put the bug in the ear of one of the well-known authors whose work was lifted (hey, free media attention!) and/or in that of an influential journalist or two...
Quite.
 
Perhaps you should read the allegations more closely.
I did. Actually, I also read the allegations of the other person having at Dawson like a velociraptor on speed. Those two, put together, give off bad hate bully vibes, which is why I can't really take this seriously. Obviously the various authors he lifted a line from also don't. Many among them would have the wherewithal to sue him.
 
Were I still playing in self-pub, I would likely continue to wave a red flag over this allegation. It very much reminds me of the plagiarism allegations levied at Cristiane Serruya in the romance genre a few years ago. I had a (very) minor hand in uncovering some of the evidence, ensuring the authors who'd had passages lifted were made aware, and otherwise spreading the word.

Nora Roberts (aka J.D. Robb) sued Cristiane, who is Brazilian, so that suit played out in Brazil. I don't know the outcome of the suit, but there was at least a media outcry at the time. For example:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/24/books/nora-roberts-plagiarism.html (behind a paywall)



I don't pretend to know UK law or Brazilian law around plagiarism -- and, often, even the nuances of US law elude me -- but it just takes someone with the clout of a Nora Roberts (or a Courtney Milan) to capture media attention. Maybe someone who's been following the Mark Dawson story and the allegations can put the bug in the ear of one of the well-known authors whose work was lifted (hey, free media attention!) and/or in that of an influential journalist or two...
I'm not sure if you've seen the updated post on Reddit from the guy who kicked all this off:



It provides evidence of pilfering by Dawson from some major works by the likes of Elmore Leonard & Cormac McCarthy, no less. Once their estates start taking a legal interest, we might finally see some action against him. With both authors now deceased, representatives of theirs estates may well value the publicity of legal action against Dawson providing a boost for the respective brands and some lucre to boot. Bring it on I say!
 
I'm not sure if you've seen the updated post on Reddit from the guy who kicked all this off:



It provides evidence of pilfering by Dawson from some major works by the likes of Elmore Leonard & Cormac McCarthy, no less. Once their estates start taking a legal interest, we might finally see some action against him. With both authors now deceased, representatives of theirs estates may well value the publicity of legal action against Dawson providing a boost for the respective brands and some lucre to boot. Bring it on I say!
Quite, but are these estates even aware? I've not read online of anyone claiming to have contacted them. It looks like Mark Dawson is slowly surfacing on social media again, but sadly not yet with a response to these allegations.
 
I'm not sure if you've seen the updated post on Reddit from the guy who kicked all this off:



It provides evidence of pilfering by Dawson from some major works by the likes of Elmore Leonard & Cormac McCarthy, no less. Once their estates start taking a legal interest, we might finally see some action against him. With both authors now deceased, representatives of theirs estates may well value the publicity of legal action against Dawson providing a boost for the respective brands and some lucre to boot. Bring it on I say!
That's some amazing reading on that Reddit post, that's for sure.
 
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